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Mike Taylor

Normally with a tiered tax structure, the the higher rates only apply to money earned past the applicable thresholds. In this case that would mean that if you made $43,000 you would pay 0% on the first $42,000 and 6% on the last $1,000. I would have to assume that that is what the UBP mean by this proposal since anything else would be boneheaded as your analysis points out.

This stuff seems a bit too elementary for them to be missing so hopefully what we are hearing from the UBP is just a rough outline and when they fill in the details on these proposals they will make more sense. This could be the case with the maternity leave promise since one would think that simply forcing all employers to provide 6 month paid leave to new mothers would be impossible in the real world.

DeOnion

It's a good start. Remember this isn't being proposed in isolation, it's one part in an overall program.

Also remember that given competent government capable of appropriate managing budgets, departments, audits, capital spending, etc. it should be possible to cut taxes a great deal in the long run (or set up a national superannuation fund).

harry

THIS IS A GREAT START,a TAX CUT,maybe we can encourage the govt.,to cut more tax's,which will benifit everyone with a "LOWER" cost of living.
GOVERMENT SHARING OUT MONEY TO EVERYONE,as you can see with the PLP it only goes as far as them selves.has never worked with any govt.,in the world.In theory it does but in practice, no way.Beaurcrats think that the money belongs to them.Even today they think that,just ask anyof them.
but infact the govt does not operate without the joe public giving it money,there money.Goverment does not make money it only spends it stupidly.as we see every day.Goverment(s) waste money,because those whom are put in change of spending it don't have a clue.It is not theirs,and you have to pay for it.Although you cannot see it.All this money goes into some magical place and someone takes care of it,like this present goverment certainly has.
Just take the amount of money collected this year, BUY GOVERMENT>
Divide it by the number of persons in bermuda.
every man woman and child.
and see how much GOVERMENT is collecting on your behalf.????
TRY another one,take the number of working people and do the same.
So?? who is paying all your share????
You are not!!!!
sea ya

Denis Pitcher

Mike,

Thats the exact problem, the quote from the first paragraph of the newspaper article:
(http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d7b2b330030009§ionId=60)

"The United Bermuda Party has pledged to eliminate payroll tax for people earning $42,000 or less if it wins the General Election."

Which doesn't suggest creating a $42,000 zero tax tier and instead suggests no tax for people who earn less than $42,000

Mike Taylor

Denis,

With a tiered system those in a 0% tax bracket would pay no taxes. I don't see anything in the Gazette article that would rule out that this is what they are going to do. Maybe someone could ask them. Has anyone read the document 'Agenda For Change — Plans For A Better Bermuda'? I haven't.

Here in Canada when the politicians discuss income tax rates they normally speak in a similar abbreviated way since sound bites are precious and accountant speak is sure to lose the audience. If they really would do something as stupid as eliminate taxes for those earning less than $42,000 and charging those who make $42,001 full taxes they are completely incompetent and don't deserve to keep a pet let alone run a country. I have not seen any evidence that they are on that level of imcompetence although I'm sure Vanz could vouch for them in that category.

Denis Pitcher

"Eliminating the payroll tax
for any person earning
$42,000 or less."

http://www.ubp.bm/agenda/agenda-for-change_hres.pdf

The direct interpretation is what I stated above and they havn't provided any further info.

In reality, they need to focus on being clear on their intentions if they want people to understand what their intentions are.

harry

This is not Canada , this is BERMUDA .
Bermuda I am proud to say has done very nicely in the last 400 years.And we have inherited this little country from our forfathers.
We are not going to make it like Canada or England or any other country that someone thinks of.
We will muddle along in our own unique way , but we will get there as we have always done before

Mike Taylor

Harry,

If you have a point you will need to make it more clear than that. I don't see where anyone is proposing to make Bermuda like any other country so I don't see the purpose of your comment.

Denis,

The tax cut is referred to as a bullet point on an agenda released shortly after an election anouncement whith the promise of a detailed platform to follow shortly. It looks to me like rough outline meant to be a glossy handout which is clearly not meant to present their plans in detail. You want greater detail and you deserve it, but that does not mean that this document does not serve a purpose since for most people this is all the detail they want or can tolerate.

The verbatim from this document is "The United Bermuda Party government will help ease the burden on struggling Bermudians by putting more money in their hands. We will begin by: Eliminating payroll tax for any person earning $42,000 or less." It's already in plain English with no interpretation neccessary. Those who make less than $42,000 would pay no taxes. You can't extrapolate from that anything about what the tax rates would be for those making more than $42,000.

Denis Pitcher

Mike,

Who said the document doesn't serve a purpose?

Also, I can extrapolate and interpret a limited definition in any way I wish until further details are presented.

From the perspective of many voters they will no doubt do the same.

How about rather than debating what the UBP may or may not be announcing in further detail you provide your thoughts on my suggestion?

Mike Taylor

Denis,

I wasn't aware that I had said that anyone else said that the document serves no purpose.

"Also, I can extrapolate and interpret a limited definition in any way I wish until further details are presented."

You can also speak backwards, eat with your feet and insist that 2+2=5 if you like.

"How about rather than debating what the UBP may or may not be announcing in further detail you provide your thoughts on my suggestion?"

Your suggestions, as best I can tell are:
1)To pass budget surplusses on to the consumer in the form of a rebate check based on a linear correlation to what they have contributed.
2)The posibility of using vouchers rather than cash for all or some of the rebate.

There would be an advantage in having refunds tied to budget surplusses in that the effective tax rate (rate actually paid after refunds) could be based on the government's actual expenditure rather than it's budget. One drawback is that refund systems add inefficiency into the system which increases government costs to some extent. This inefficiency is normally unavoidable in creating more equitable tax structures which are inevitably more complex so its worthnoting but is no deal breaker. Another drawback is that in practice I expect you would only get these checks in the mail every four years or so (you guess which years). I would support it as a step forward but it would not be my first choice because ultimately I believe it would tend to be abused by the government in power.

With regards to vouchers in lieu of cash - No thanks! I'll blow it all on cotton candy if I like.

CERP

well, I'd be happy with a relaxation of duty, i.e., $200 twice a year if your stay off island is more than 4 days, and or $1000 duty free per person, once a year.

This way, when us byes and girls' take them important shopping trips, we would not keep getting that 'sinking' feeling payin the 22.5% on everything, minus the $100 deduction now allowed.

Merianna

Sorry CERP, but the duty payable when returning home to Bermuda has been a flat 25% on everything - excess of the $100 allowance and alcohol and tobacco allowances - for some time now. I guess some of us don't realise how much we really do pay by way of taxes.

Merianna

Sorry CERP, but the duty payable when returning home to Bermuda has been a flat 25% on everything - excess of the $100 allowance and alcohol and tobacco allowances - for some time now. I guess some of us don't realise how much we really do pay by way of taxes.

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