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August 14, 2009

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Renaissance Man

Excellent post. I like the idea of KIPP.

The only complaint I can see is to do away with the summer holiday, there will be some opposition to that. As a parent though, I would welcome keeping the children in school for longer.

Denis

They suggest 3 extra weeks in July which shortens the summer holiday but doesn't do away with it.

The evidence given in the book is quite telling regarding the testing of student knowledge before and after the summer break but it was too long to post here. Summer breaks in poor families are quite detrimental in contrast to wealthy families where students of poor families forget parts of what they learned while students of wealthier families improve upon what they've learned. It creates a growing gap that causes students of poorer families to fall behind in the long run.

Really we need to decide what we want. Do we want a great education system that provides real opportunities or do we want kids to continue being disadvantaged?

The way KIPP was originally implemented was to create one small school and hold a lottery for those who wanted to get in. Students and parents would apply and then it would be a random draw. I would think something similar would be good here allowing you to separate out those who want to participate in such a program from those who don't.

Renaissance Man

I can hear the civil libertarians now...

The problem with the lottery is that you can be seen to be discriminating against people who aren't in the program. You MIGHT be able to float it as a pilot program initially, but, once it was successful, everyone else would complain about being excluded.

I remember vaguely some study showing the average student forgot about 40% of their material learned during the year prior over their summer break. It would definitely be higher for the disadvantaged.

I am all for a new and improved system. KIPP would do it, but it would have to be all or nothing to get through.

Mind you, people will complain no matter what.

Denis

Renaissance Man,

One second you're complaining that you wouldn't want your kids to give up their summer holiday, the next it's that not everyone would be included.

It's rather confusing.

For an introduction, sometimes life isn't fair. Indeed, many people have no problem discriminating when it comes to the lottery for conscription do they?

If the program is highly successful than there would be no reason why it shouldn't be rolled out across the board. As you said, some people want to keep their summers so starting small and working larger would provide the opportunity for those are not interested to not apply.

It would be worthwhile to give Karl Alexander's study a read either via Malcolm Gladwell's outlier book or via a copy of it that I've found online: http://www.asanet.org/galleries/default-file/April07ASRfeature.pdf

If we truly want to see a difference then we'll need to explore realistic changes that can be made. If this program has achieved great success doing something fundamentally different than it is worth exploring.

Renaissance Man

Sorry, I wasn't being clear.

What I was trying to do is play Devil's Advocate, just trying to show what the inevitable naysayers would say. Please note, I am not one of them.

My personal view is, go for it. I would love not to have to find summer camps for an additional month. Also, I like the pilot program, because it does give a choice for parents. Plus, anything that works that well should be attempted here. But for some reason, our education ministry to date has chosen systems that were being phased out by others as being ineffective. It remains to be seen what, if anything, transpires with the Cambridge curriculum.

Rummy

Thank you for bringing to our attention Dennis. You can introduce many things and you will always have the skeptics that think they know it all.

I tired of written words. We need to hear more voices with a face.

Ironic?

Give everyone $1Million dollars, a new house, free health, free education and the same ones that are affluent will cry foul.

A degree is a piece of paper. Common sense and gratitude..

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