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February 25, 2010

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J Starling

While I was surprised that he brought the issue up, I do think that he was speaking personally there. Having said that, he should have made it more clear that he was speaking personally, especially after speaking on sexual orientation from the POV of the B.D.A's policy stance.

Also, I reckon the reporter asked him a whole whack of questions that are hot-topics in Bermudian politics, and the article only covered his response to two of those (sexual orientation and independence). I expect the follow-up article, referred to in the article in question, will cover a range of issues from race, housing, education, crime, the economy and political reform.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with initiating a conversation on contreversial issues. I don't want politicians to be purely populists, tailoring their positions on the basis of polls. The trick is in the presentation really; if he had developed the reasoning for independence and acknowledged that it was not popular but something we as people need to discuss more, that's fine. He didn't really do much of that.

And just for the record I am mostly indifferent to indpendence, well, indifferent leaning towards pro. I would support a federal system like Martinique/Guadelope have with France, or a united states of the Caribbean personally.

james t.

personally personally personally - you guys are something else! - if the man says "personally" i think we can assume he's speaking.........wait for it! - PERSONALLY. You guys are exhibiting way too much critism on someone who has been in political spotlight for all of a week - Personally, i was encouraged by the fact that Cannonier was so forth right and not speaking like a typical politician who seem to have the ability to waffle on endlessly but say absolutely nothing - but thats my personal opinion! :)

Denis

James,

I believe what I wrote was valid feedback rather than simply criticism, especially given this is his first week.

It is important that Mr. Cannonier makes it crystal clear when he is speaking in a personal capacity vs. when he is speaking for the party. As leader his views could easily reflect his intentions for the party direction, or could represent the party's views.

While indeed he said 'personally', the article was largely focused on BDA's positions he made no mention that his party does not share his view.

Subsequently he gave a really weak argument for why he supports it that goes along the very same lines as the argument that has been a major point of contention for why people haven't supported the Premier's moves for independence. "Natural progression" doesn't offer any tangible benefit and doesn't help his case much.

As I recommended, Mr. Cannonier would have been best not mentioning his personal stance at all at this point. The reason being is that it would have been better if the issue had been addressed on it's own without confusing it with others. This way he would have had the opportunity to fully explain his views vs the stance of his party. The way he's done it he's left it hanging which can cause people to wonder where BDA really stands, whether he'll be pushing for independence itself and when it actually would be put to referendum if BDA were to be elected.

He raised far more questions than he answered, rather unnecessary. I think it's worthwhile noting this as valuable feedback for next time he addresses such issues.

Ken

On Hott 107.5 last night Mr Cannonier spoke again on Independence. He said that he believes it is a natural progression for a country to explore independence. He also said that he believes many people are quick to say No to the idea before even participating in any discussions or even entertaining the idea. I thought this was very interesting. I do wonder how much of the BDA populace have actually had objective discussions of the topic of independence, and would be willing to do so.

UncleElvis

Would an "objective discussion" change anyone's mind, considering that the Pro-Independence folks have yet to provide a single concrete positive to it?

How would a discussion like that go?

Why not start it here?

Ken

Elvis,
Its not up to me to start the discussion. And any discussion on any blog will automatically turn anti-independence due to the demographic that traditionally reads and participates on here.

UncleElvis

That's a VERY nice evasion.

I thought you were suggesting that the BDA populace have an objective discussion to change anti-independence sentiment. Now you're saying that it shouldn't happen where the actual anti-independence people are?

Are you suggesting it just be "preached to the choir"?
Or to those that are more pliable?

Where, exactly, should this discussion take place?

As for the discussion "automatically turn[ing] anti-independence", this is not quite true.
Most folks that are, in fact, anti-independence, usually, in discussions about it, simply ask "Why?" and receive no response.

That's not the discussion "turn[ing] anti-independence", it's the discussion coming to a screeching halt on the part of the pro-independence folks, as they don't ever seem to have an answer.

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that most anti-independence folks would LOVE to have a discussion about it. It seems that it's the PRO-independence folks that don't want to actually HAVE the discussion...

evidenced by your response.

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