No respect left for Progressive Minds

I’ve written before about the fact that the Progressive Minds blog has begun showing signs of significant bias.  Despite their rules being stated as follows, I’ve noted that my posts are moderated and were often rejected though I only strived to make valid well thought out conversation points and did not violate any of their stated rules.

Blog Rules

The purpose of this site is to promote critical thinking, constructive dialogue and progressive solutions on issues which affect Bermuda and Bermudians. To accomplish this we encourage
1. The use of repsectful language
2. Respect for individuals, particularly blog members and members of the community

We will not tolerate:
1. Name calling
2. Profanity
3. Racial slurs
4. Personal attacks

Failure to comply may result in your removal from this blog.

Progressive minds blogger Vanz Chapman however has become notorious among the progressive minds blog readers I speak to as someone who can post unmoderated comments and often makes very racist, offensive and rediculous remarks such as “Why has limey and his cracker brigade infected the PLP blog” in June (though later modified to remove the work cracker) and now the following:

“something that most bdans have come to expect from the RG. but go ahead, do your thing. but considering that christian “hitler” dunleavy writes for the RG and who’s whole body of work both for his site and the RG seems to be one long angry white guy rant about how much he hates the bulk of black bda”  (emphasis added)

If that doesn’t classify as name calling, a personal attack and quite possibly a racial slur than I really don’t know what does.

I have officially lost all respect for the youth wing of the PLP and by that regard I have lost respect for the PLP itself for allowing such hypocrisy to occur.

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Phil Wells
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I see Vanz’s comment has now been removed. Given the number of his comments that the admins have had to delete or edit I am baffled by why he is allowed to post comments unmoderated while reasonable posters such as you and I (who have never had to have our comments edited for personal attacks) are on the moderation list. Progressive Minds had – and arguably still has – potential as a blog where folks could go to read interesting, well-thought-out arguments in support of the PLP’s actions and ideas (even if they disagreed with them). Alas, many posts demonstrate… Read more »

J Starling
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Hi Denis! I can only infrequently access the PM site, so I admit that my info is not quite up to date. I cannot offer any reasons for if and why Vanz’s comments are generally not as moderated as much as others. I can say that policing blogs can be quite taxing, and as there is only one (maybe two) people with that ability over at PM, some comments can be posted for some time before being dealt with. True, post moderation could be used in this regards, and I can offer no reason why this is not the case.… Read more »

Denis Pitcher
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Jonathan, My quam with the PM site is that my posts have been moderated to the point where they were not published despite adhering to the stated rules while there have been numerous occasions where Vanz has had freedom to post without moderation despite constantly violating the rules and offending a great many people. I don’t even necessarily disagree with what he has to say, but it’s the way he says it that is the problem. Specifically I became very annoyed when someone personally requested a response from me and I spent a great deal of time crafting it only… Read more »

mat
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mat

just shows how closed minded the PLP really is

mat
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mat

sows how closed minded the PLP is

J Starling
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Hi Denis, thats cool. I actually quite like what Huey Newton stood for, I wasn’t attacking him at all. Nor do I think Christian is anything close to Hitler, I jsut wanted to make that clear. I can understand your frustration concerning the PM site. I will investigate, but quite honestly I don’t know what to tell you. If your comments were within the guidelines then there is absolutely no reason why your posts should not have a ppeared, and I concur that Vanz’s style is the key problem and also wonder why he has been able to post unchecked… Read more »

silencedogood
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silencedogood

I read PM for a while, but it seems like its the same 4 guys giving the same rant over, and over, and over…and over. There is a clear bias in administering the rules, but is the double standard really that surprising? Still wrong, but not surprising. I also got sick of clicking on what was supposed to be links to the latest comment only to be directed to the same post attacking the UBP every time. Perhaps a glitch, perhaps not. When you factor all that in with the uber-partisanship I tune out. I like to know what others… Read more »

32n64w
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32n64w

I think it might be important to remember that Vanz Chapman’s mother is a significant player in the PLP hierarchy. Perhaps the powers that be behind Progressive Minds are worried that any attempts to moderate her son’s rantings (no matter how offensive, foul mouthed, misguided and down-right disgusting) would be immediately met with her displeasure … no matter how warranted. Makes you wonder if the youth wing, who initially promoted this blog, are in fact incapable of acting independently of the party mother ship. I note that 82% of the posters on the site (and those choosing to participate in… Read more »

vanz
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it’s interesting that only white posters go into a hissy fit over my posts while many blk posters e-mail me their support-perhaps the problem is that many of u are completely outta touch w/what many blk bdans feel. and if dunleavy can compare brown to mugabe why can’t i compare him to hitler – they’re both racists.

vanz
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interesting LTTE in the RG from a white bdan woman today:
see: The death of whiteness
http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d77fa730030000&sectionId=75

vanz
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The Future of the UBP why is it when a plp supporter expresses support for their party or directs well articulated criticism to it’s opponents it’s said to be vicious and angry and venomous – while these same critics of the plp, particularly of dr. brown, feel that they can be as nasty as they want without the bat of an eye. i believe that many white bermudians want to be fair in their attempts to coexist with all the ethnicities of bermuda, but i feel as if there is still a hard-headed faction of white bermuda who hate that… Read more »

MMF
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MMF

Denis
PM reps have invited me to post on their site but have never given me a password – my latest attempt was about one week ago.
As for Mr Chapman, his latest post is a mere re-hash of an RG letter from a while back.
It seems to me the posters on that site have a lot of anger!

Denis Pitcher
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Vanz, Not sure who specifically you are referring to above, but I would like to be clear that I am a Bermudian of mixed racial decent. As for Christian Dunleavey’s apparent references to Brown as Mugabe, I have zero control over that. Christian is free to say what he likes on his blog and I am unable to comment aside from doing so via my own blog. If Christian choses to make racist references, then that makes him a racist. If you choose to use him as a justification of why you can be racist as well, well I’m sorry… Read more »

Denis Pitcher
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MMF,
Personally I have opted to no longer post my comments on the Progressive Minds site and instead will post anything I have to say via my own blog.
If you have had difficulties I would highly recommend that you start your own blog and offer your comments via it. I would be happy to add/link to them to get a bit of traffic going your way if you send me a link.
Denis

the truth
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the truth

vance is a notorious liar who has written by far the most racist things ever read on most bermuda websites. he is totally discredited as a bigot. like my 2 year old he is best ignored when he throws his little lying tantrums.

vanz
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pls disregard the previous post as it got jumbled: great even handed post pitcher – i should have used ubp supporters instead of white -pls excuse that – i do however take issue w/this statement “He did not have the same opportunities as Premier Brown has had so to make such a comparison is unjust.” pls go back and find out how after dr.brown grad’d from med school – the racist white med industry here prevented him from coming back here to practice because of his pro blk views – dunkley on the other hand had all the beneifits that… Read more »

vanz
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to the truth re: “vance is a notorious liar who has written by far the most racist things ever read on most bermuda websites. he is totally discredited as a bigot” so sad that u choose to stick ur head in the sand and not recognize what’s really going on in bda- u r like those sad angry,confused slave owners who even as slavery was being dismantled continued to believe that slavery was a good thing and that their slaves were actually happy. outside of that tiny social bubble that u and ur lot live in, bda has changed –… Read more »

the truth
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the truth

that you read that into my comment shows how foolish you are. what you are unaware of is that your own plp members privately laugh at you. they are using you. they mock you. they egg you on but mock you privately. they will let you go as long as you want because you have no idea how idiotic you look and what an island-wide punchline you have become for the mindless rabid racists. you say things that they know no reputable person could say but they are happy to have said. untrue as they may be.

vanz
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dear sweeety truth, u angry bit*h huh? i sense a lotta frustration wow – to see bda change really must be getting to u or did u get punked by some blk guy- which one is it? – but okay – i’ll play -racists make me smile – now 1st, considering i haven’t lived full time in bda since the 80s i don’t know exactly what i could be used 4 – 2nd you are not down with any plpers of consequence who would share anything w/ u, 3rdly – u know it’s really only us nerds who are even… Read more »

the truth
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the truth

angry? not at all. i would find you entertaining if your comments weren’t so full of hate. you are the equivalent of a circus side show. yes they use you. yes they mock you. yes they email you in support. guess what? they know you will say anything so they let you. you are a joke. beyond the websites. you are completely out of touch and in another era. the rest of us move forward together. you shadow box an imaginary opponent. they are using you. you are too ignorant to see what the rest of us do.

vanz
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on 2nd thought “truth” u r right – i had suspected that i was being used but now i know it. i’ve been wrong all this time – and people like dunleavy et al were right all along. i guess we’ll be seeing the ubp in power next election. good luck on everything.

Denis Pitcher
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Ok. I don’t want to see my blog becomming a place that I have to police daily so I’d like to remind each of you that I do not appreciate any arguements or personal attacks and will accept none further.
Nothing but constructive & substanciated discussion from here on in.

the truth
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the truth

you’re the boss here denis. chapman has ruined too many websites on this island and i for one and bored with his act, his character attacks and the lies. he is so blinded with hate that he is oblivious to how his party are using him as their online pitbull. much to the amusement of the crew in alaska hall and on front street i might add. bedtime for this guy.

Denis Pitcher
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Vanz, Regarding your issue with my statement that: “[Michael Dunkley] did not have the same opportunities as Premier Brown has had so to make such a comparison is unjust.” This was in the context of your question: “who did michael dunkley speak up for in his youth?” Regarding later years I will not contest Premier Brown’s difficulties as a black doctor for I have no knowledge of the situation and thus am not at liberty to speak on the subject. Unfortunately I do have my doubts as to whether or not the PLP have been at the helm of similar… Read more »

Denis Pitcher
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The truth, I would prefer if you did not continue to repeat the same arguement. Your opening arguement was one that was non-constructive that unfortunately accomplished little. If Vanz indeed is discredited and best ignored, than why bother adding to the discussion? Are you not then ignoring your own advice and only adding fuel to the fire? I welcome your contributions if you’d like to discuss something of merit. Hell, feel free to disagree with me on any of the issues or ideas I’ve written, I’d welcome the opportunity to defend my ideas as it helps make them stronger and… Read more »

vanz
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most importantly, i’d like apologise to pitcher because like me he is bi-cultural and that he has actually been even keeled during this recent volley-and even the limey, whom i think is phill wells, he offered some fair observations – and to the white bdans who r not racist but who feel that i’ve painted all whites as Racist – i sincerely apologize for that. i flew into bda today and hope 2be surprised by the improved race relations that u all tell me about. is there a bar i can go to to see the multiracial mix that i… Read more »

Slowhand
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Slowhand

Apologies are great things Vanz. I read the post on PM that you copy/pasted from and I’m curious as to why you left out the part where you called ‘the truth’ a “Crusty Old Racist Cracker”… This brings to mind a few questions that you might answer… 1)Why did you write it on PM and not on 21sq? Was it due to the tolerance level of either site, or did you think that it would be less offensive/not offensive at PM? 2)What made you write it at all? I have read all that ‘the truth’ said above and do not… Read more »

vanz
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i’m sorry 4 everything. i’m the racist. everyone else is fairminded.

Slowhand
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Slowhand

Admitting it is the first big step…