Held Captive

The following was submitted in the comments of the “No Comments” article by reader Silencedogood with apparent excerpts from Catherine Duffy’s book “Held Captive” which described the history of Bermuda’s insurance industry.

 

It’s sadly ironic the situation we are in with Ewart Brown. One need only take a look at the pages of our own history to understand what is going on. The following are some excerpts from Catherine Duffy’s book Held Captive:

“Lynden Pindling of the Bahamas was our biggest ally…Pindling gave a speech, known as the ‘bend or break speech’, in which he threatened international companies based in the Bahamas. Pindling required that all foreign workers be replaced by Bahamians. Deeming this to be impossible, offshore business flocked to Bermuda. Indeed in two years 20,000 ex-pats who had been working in the banking and insurance industries in the Bahamas left that country, taking most of the industries with them in their suitcases when they left. Many set up shop in Bermuda.”

The chapter goes on to discuss how it wasn’t just the bahamianation (sic) of the IB sector that drove companies out, but also the onerous push for more intrusive regulation, including reporting requirements.

It goes on to state:

“Fortunately the Government of the day, realizing that it did not fully understand this new Exempted Company Business and the complexities of insurance, left it up to the private sector to be the trailblazers. It was from this moment that a partnership between the public and private sectors began. The Government of Bermuda learned to listen to the concerns and interests of the international business arena so that it could develop its expertise in regard to this new area of commerce for the greater benefit of the island.”

It doesn’t take a genius to recognize the parallels. Just change Bahamas to Bermuda and Bermuda to any other prospective offshore jurisdiction. Goodwill+ and the new CURE legislation recently unveiled which besides being discriminatory and poorly drafted more importantly (from a business perspective) requires extensive and burdensome regulatory reporting making it, along with the other proposals, a nearly identical replay of what took down the Bahamas and allowed Bermuda to rise.

The very things that were at the core of why Bermuda was a great place to do business–i.e. an effective partnership between the public and private sectors–is exactly what is being eroded. Why? …

Lest we fall prey to the false arguments that IB has done nothing for the working class or the black community, I found this quote also interesting:

“By some estimates the ruling class of Bermuda consisted of only five families, in those days of the 1960s that now seem so far away. Be that as it may, by the end of the decade the privileged few, whoever they were, had no other choice than to accept that if Bermuda was to be seen by the outside world as credible, responsible, viable and attractive jurisdiction, the ruling elite had to be seen to spread their wealth around the Island.”

Now, being seen to spread wealth and actually doing it are two different things, but no one can deny that this was a push in the right direction which has ultimately led to the wealth of opportunity available today. That push was helped along by the efforts of many, including LBE, but no one can deny the rising tide which helped to lift all boats.

The Bahamas has been able to prevent a full scale tailspin such as the post-Michael Manley Jamaica, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t suffer some hard times, the outcome was never a certainty, it doesn’t mean it is more prosperous than if it had not been so reckless with its economy, or that Bermuda would be able to pull off the same feat.

 

 

Note: If anyone actually has a copy of this book that they’d be willing to lend out, I’d be greatly appreciative as I think I would benefit from the read.  Thanks

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  1. Execellent reference to the “BAHAMAS” and how true.Bermudas prosperterty was due to the govt at the time in the bahamas.Drive the lenght of Eluthrea,you will see tall concrete silo’s with trees growing out of them.they were used to feed the cattle,milk used to leave the island for the USA every morning with fresh eggs (export).Mr Pindling told the folks there , get out we don’t need any “WHITE” people here .that island economy collasped .
    Talked to some OLD folks, in grand bahama,spring of 2007,asked what it was like in the good old days (MR Pindlings times} they survived only just they said.
    they did not have any money to leave.all the hotels were closed,there was no money and no tourists.the husband went anywhere and everywhere to get anykind of work.and he said,and sometimes i was lucky.the wife rented out some rooms,as local fishermen needed accomadations as they were passing though.and a few locals got to know the place as well.the wife and kids could go and catch a few fish as they were pleantyfull and people were few.but food was not pleantifull apparently.
    and personally around 1991/92 was in the bahamas,and was offered a medium size hotel on the water @ us$240,000. from an insurance co.as they were holding the morgage and thats how much it was,and wanted to get rid of the morgage.
    was very interested and would need some key staff,familuar with our imigration ,theirs would be simular.but was advised that one had to pay under the table in cash,and if you pay enough you get your immigration thru
    Not realizing that the poltics would soon change,the offer was declined.I got the impression that mr pindling was sure the bahamas would earn enough money dealing drugs to the US.But it took the cconomy down,another reference can be made with “Jamaca” 80/90 J$ to the bda $1
    Sea Ya!

  2. “get out we don’t need any “WHITE” people here ” harry, why did pindling singl eout white people – this statement seems to be without a context – what was teh situation in the bahamas for pindling to make said comment –
    2ndly “that island economy collasped.” r u suggesting that white people were the only segment of society that kept the economy going?
    sadly for bda, the whites have historically so insulated themselves from their blk neighbors that it seems almost impossible for there to be any consensus across racial lines. even more sad, when i read what the white bda youth say on facebook and then here what many blk youth say – it looks like the chasm is only getting wider – if bda did so well compared to the other islands why are the bulk of bdan youth getting involved in crime and violence anyway – i guess th emoney didn’t make a difference – if the money bda made in the 70s, 80s and 90s truly benefited the island as a whole why is it that the prisons are filled with mostly blk men why are all the kids up at co-ed blk, why the inequity even with bda making the right economic decisions? white bda seems to suffer from a blind spot which makes them totally baffled when they see dr. brown’s and the support that the plp gets in spite of the scaremongering that occurs. until that segment of white bda realizes that they harbour white supremacist attitudes – nothing will change. just look at he racially coded language that harry uses in his post – it’s sad.

  3. Read the Cayman forum
    under Blow Holes & Cayman Politics
    Ethnic cleansing quota system for all Bermuda business
    http://marlroad.com/cayforum
    “The cards have been laid on the table and they have been from a stacked deck. This is only the beginning of the destruction of Bermuda as we know it. Outsourcing will be replaced by firms leaving and then it’s all over. Don’t get involved because the damage is already done. The only question is where will these firms go and how fast.
    I pitty Bermuda.”
    “How bizarre, it is like culture and society are marching backwards.”
    “This is a control issue just like Mugabe’s power play and if someone opposes Brown he will crush them because he’s in power. If he succeeds Bermuda will be under a Dictator. Freedom of speech will be the next to go and so on etc.”
    “Lazy and underhand politics to invoke racial scapegoating in a modern society and poisonous rather than therapeutic.

  4. sal – ur dad was a great man – it’s sad that u r racebaiting because of your (albeit comquered) snowflake oz. addiction – can a blk man who doesn’t kiss the whiteman’s ass also be a great leader? u tell me, TB.

  5. Yet again Vanz introduces race in a destructive way–unless the thinly veiled pseudonym is actually another person copying exactly Vanz’ typing style, tone, and penchant for accusing Sal of being Tony Brannon.
    You just can’t stand legitimate criticism of your golden calf Dr. B can you?
    Well, “whitey” you are a sad little person. You think that in order to have self-respect you have to have a bad attitude and give the finger to anything and anybody whether they have supported you or not.
    You obviously don’t believe black people are capable of independent thought either since anyone who disagrees with your views must be “kissing the white man’s ass” rather than having a differing view.
    Your bigotry, hate, and close mindedness is pathetic.
    I feel sorry for you.

  6. Vanz,
    I’m going to give you a warning. Write under one name and make no personal attacks. I’ve been willing to work with you and encourage constructive discussion but you are making me question whether you have any interest in being constructive and trying to work towards what is in the best benefits of Bermuda.
    If you think I cannot track IP addresses of posters to realise that you and whitey are one in the same, then you’re sourly mistaken.
    On top of this, your writing is so blatent that even Silencedogood could see through the fake name to know it was you.
    If you’re interested in constructive discussion, then you’re welcome here. Otherwise, you’re welcome to return to the ProgressiveMinds blog where you can speak amongst your peers.
    If you’re wondering why I’ve tolerated Sal’s above comment, it is because he has quoted a Cayman bulliten board of which the quotes come from long standing posters which makes it clear that Sal is not faking these opinions. This does not mean I would tolerate anyone themselves making such remarks on my site but I do see validity in knowing that it is how people in the Caymans see our isle.

  7. dennis, point taken – but silence – if i am whitey – am i not doing what you and sal r doing – posting biased accusations under a pseudonym?

  8. Vanz,
    First, you just admitted you are “whitey” after Dennis called you out–so let’s not be coy.
    Second, you are in no way engaging in the same style of debate as me.
    You use racist pseudonyms. You continually post racially derrogatory comments about both blacks and whites. Your arguments are addmittedly based on assumptions rather than facts or are based on an article some guywrothehmghhghghg(trails off). They also include an unhealthy dose of generalizations.
    Worst of all, you almost always refuse to address the issues under discussion and instead try to go off on tangents or lower the discussion into some PLP v UBP, black v white nonsense that has nothing to do with anything anyone has brought up. Heck, now that I think of it, you’ll probably be the next premier! 😉
    Seriously though, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again–you are fooling no one.
    Given that, I’m will no longer respond to your irrelevant posts. If you have something substantive to say, we can talk.

  9. silence – do u think that white racism plays any part in the fact that white vote almost exclusively for the ubp and the attitude of many white bdans toward dr. brown. hilary clinton recently said in a debate that if white women in the US were dying of aids at the rate that blk and latino women were then the govt. would be doing more about the disease – is she off base in citing racism re; that issue is she going on “assumptions rather than facts”. ?
    i guess when malcolm burgess in with his last moments as an MP accused the UBP of being racist – he was going on “assumptions rather than facts” as well huh – the same with jahmal and gwen and julian hall and eva hodgson and calvin smith and david burt etc.
    if you don’t think that white racism whether overt of sub-conscious has anything to do with white bdas voting pattern and it’s attitude toward dr. brown then sadly U R right – we have nothing to talk about.

  10. Still not on the topic of this thread, but I will respond since it’s a serious question.
    There are many reasons why I believe most white Bermudians do not vote PLP, none of which has anything to do with racism (on their part).
    (1) Most significant is the fact the PLP is overtly hostile to the non-black community, whites in particular (not to mention blacks who don’t toe the ideological line). No one in their right mind would vote for a party they believe hostile to their interests. It’s clear you believe the UBP to be racist. Are you planning to vote UBP in the next election?
    (2) The PLP is not perceived as having done a good job during its 9 years in power. Whether they have done better or worse than the UBP of 9 years ago is irrelevant. They have had a good long chance and have fumbled the ball repeatedly. Why should people reward a poorly performing government rather than hold them accountable?
    (3) Beyond that, the current leadership has shown a tendency to be autocratic, corrupt, as well as lacking respect an understanding of/respect for basic rights of property, free speech, etc. They are also jeopardizing the livelihood of many people and the economic stability of the country (strains to get back on topic). This is not a good way to attract voters regardless of colour. Is it logical for voters to reward a government who plays fast and loose with the law and threatens prosperity?
    (4) Lastly, It is rational behavior for a minority to concentrate their vote in a single party as it allows them to actually have a real say in their representation. Is this racist? Is it racism that drives African Americans to vote Democrat in roughly the same proportions as white Bermudians vote UBP? I think not.
    You should note however that these reasons are just my beliefs and may not apply beyond myself. However, they are four valid counters to your simple assumption of racism. Unless you can you logically spell out, in a similar fashion, why you think racism is at the core of this phenomenon my explanation will remain more credible.
    Can you do that? Quid pro quo.

  11. here’s what a blogger on blackvoices has to say
    “Im sorry although Hillary made a point, the core of her analysis was racist. aids is color blind, and a lot of rich white women do have the virus but either it’s downplayed or as the law required is kept confidential (as it should be) Hillary Clinton is just an opportunist, she is playing on the sentiments of the black females in order to get more votes. I just pray my black sisters are ahead of the game and can see through the bull—t she’s throwin out! If she was really concerened about the black women she would’ve convinced her husband in his eight years in office to say the same, as that hasn’t happened it proves to me she’ll do anything to become the first female president- no holds barred! (Black people “wake up smell the fertilizer before the grass starts growin!”)”
    This lady has it right when she refers to politicians as being, for the most part, opportunist – same with all the other names you mentioned.
    The problem with Ewart Brown isn’t his colour it’s his policies and his dictator style attitude, and this isn’t just the sentiment of white Bermuda it’s the sentiment of many black ladies in my office and in Bermuda in general…so keep on ignorantly spouting off your racist bullshit Vance, today’s generation of white Bermuda has long since moved past this but it’s people like Brown and his cronies who want to remain in power who are using race and racism to stay there. They are not correcting mistakes of the past they are repeating them.

  12. it’s very sad silence – your revisionist take on white bda is a slap in the face to those who have suffered because of said racism – david gibbons’ own study that he launched in the late 70s on race relations in bda revealed white racist attitudes similar to the US south of the 60s. i also suggest that you contact people like ira phillip and let him know that his books on bdan history are incorrect because racism plays no part in the white bdan psyche.
    also pls take note that at the top of the UBP’s to do list 20 years b4 they got kicked out of power was “1. Employment of black Bermudians in managerial and supervisory positions.”
    guess they never got the job done. –
    david gibbons own writing says as much:
    “Four months into his term as Premier, David Gibbons took the first step of combining the advice, experience, and wisdom of two American consultants…Kenneth Clark and David Garth. Garth hired a pair of young pollsters Mark Penn and Douglas Schoen,
    The Bermuda that Schoen first encountered in June 1978 was “closer to the American South circa 1968 than America 1978,” Schoen remembered. “People made comments about blacks that were, frankly speaking, insensitive or worse.” In terms of social trends, Schoen also noted that alcoholism and over-consumption of tobacco, which had begun to leave the mainstream in America, were still widespread in Bermuda.
    “in the end” Clark pointed to ten areas to be addressed by the Gibbons government to achieve that goal:
    1. Employment of black Bermudians in managerial and supervisory positions
    2. Problems of financing small-business enterprises
    3. Increasing the number and percentage of black Bermudians in policy-making positions
    4. Criminal justice system
    5. Elementary, secondary, and higher education
    6. Housing
    7. Specific professional and vocational training programmes
    8. Health and social services
    9. Social, cultural, recreational, and youth programmes
    10. Reorganisation of the Bermuda Race Relations Council.

  13. Vanz,
    I really don’t get it. You were stating that you thought racism was the reason why most white Bermudians vote as a block for the UBP.
    Silencedogood countered your arguments of why he thinks most white Bermudians vote one way or another.
    Rather than rebutting those remarks, you refer to his attitude as a slap in the face and go off on a whole different tangent.
    While I can understand the position of your generation who were much closer to segregation and the history of slavery and felt the impacts of racism to a much greater extent, my generation has been much farther removed.
    What I find a slap in the face is that many in your generation are only concerned with the past and not the future. At that, they are willing to sacrafice our future if they can’t get the retribution they expect from the past.
    Somehow it is justified that anything goes for today’s government and they can do no wrong because there were wrongs done in the past. They are not to be held accountable whatsoever and if our economy collapses, we should embrace poverty as “good for us”.
    The problem is, our island’s elders won’t have to live in that future, but our island’s youth will. That scares me.
    Aside from the ‘slap in the face’, what are your specific rebuttals to Silencedogood’s points with regards to why whites vote the way they do?

  14. Vanz,
    I repeat: Unless you can you logically spell out, in a similar fashion, why you think racism is at the core of this phenomenon, my explanation will remain more credible.
    Can you do that? Quid pro quo.

  15. thanks Vance!… even though you didn’t address the points made by silencedogood, in your attempt to redirect you proved my point that recent generations (including UBP leaders!!) have made steps to move away from and correct the imbalances of racism that we all accept and admit existed in the past….problem is the current PLP government is dragging us all back to the past and reigniting the racism divide by exploiting and inciting racism for political gain. They were handed a wonderful opportunity to move this country forward and work to bring it’s people together, but you can’t do that with a chip on your shoulder and with scores to settle can you?…not very Progressive is it?

  16. here silence…
    There are many reasons why I believe most white Bermudians do not vote PLP, none of which has anything to do with racism (on their part).
    (1) Most significant is the fact the PLP is overtly hostile to the non-black community,
    when whites like dr. ball and danny faris? joined the plp and the PLP in the past – white bdans made life hell for them which obviously turned off any potential white PLP members – zane desilva this year talked about how white customers told him that they would not send any biz his way anymore because he was running e the PLP. white bda was hostile toward the white PLP members – not the other way around. what u call hostile if anything is indifference due to the hatred that whites started and continue to this day to have twd the PLP.
    (2) The PLP is not perceived as having done a good job during its 9 years in power.
    from what my understanding is IB and tourism – the core bda industries are doing well – especially in light of the post 9/11 global financial hardships that many economies went through.
    (3) Beyond that, the current leadership has shown a tendency to be autocratic, corrupt, as well as lacking respect an understanding of/respect for basic rights of property, free speech, etc.
    as opposed to who – the UBP. malcolm burgess a senior statesman of the UBP suggested this year that the blk members of the UBP reform the blk caucus within the party. i assume a suggestion like this is made because he percieved that the power structure of the uBP to be autocratic and that blk members needed to fend for themselves.
    on the other hand when the PLP has internal differences it’s out in the open – renee webb is in the paper today criticism her own govt. – whereas in the UBP, aside from malcolm, no one says anything critically about the party which is hard to believe that such a diverse group of people would have a lemming like group think. so really who sounds more autocratic.
    (4) Lastly, It is rational behavior for a minority to concentrate their vote in a single party as it allows them to actually have a real say in their representation. Is this racist? Is it racism that drives African Americans to vote Democrat in roughly the same proportions as white Bermudians vote UBP? I think not.
    federally, blks in the US voted republican (they freed the slaves) up until the point that the democrat FDR and mostly his wife eleanor made a deliberate and concerted effort to include blk america in america ie advocating for poor blks in the south – flying with blk pilots during an era of segregation etc.
    but locally they sometimes vote republican ie blks vote overwhelmingly for bloomberg in nyc.
    white voting patterns in bda are different – as a matter of fact up until the 70s the Commonwealth Residency Vote provided that British subjects age 21 or older who had been residing in Bermuda for three years were entitled to vote in elections. this gave white voters inflated numbers and votes – so unlike blks in the US – white bda does not have a long history of under representation – ur talking apples and oranges.
    if white voters are actually voting for the likes of shawn crockwell, tilmam darrell, gerald fubler etc because they honestly think they are better candidates than randy horton, paula cox and dennis lister – then i’ll eat my proverbial hat.
    white bda votes the way they because of the reason that some whites have always reacted when dealing with blk men – fear.
    and to clarify – i live in canada – i obviously know that not all whites are bad but as julian hall said in a speech years ago after having been in the UBP, “there’s a streak of white supremacy in a segment of white bda that would make the KKK blush.”
    and finally if what ur saying about the plp is true – then smart veterans like paula cox and smart young believers like davida morris are all pretty stupid huh. i guess the bulk of blk bda are pretty stupid for supporting the plp too huh.
    or maybe u have a better answer – why are only white bdans able to see how bad the PLP is but not blk bdans?

  17. also dennis – we r not that different in age that things have changed to the degree that it is the racial utopia u suggest. do u think white racism plays a part in bda today? so don’t chalk it up to a generation gap. just go and read on facebook how more “progressive” young white bda is. they’re so angry ud think a race war was about to pop off ( as suggested by UBPer Kim Swan in the House)

  18. i meant 2 say “and to clarify – i live in canada – i obviously know that not all whites are not bad”
    and pls don’t suggest a freudian slip.

  19. Vanz,
    Please recognize that Denis and Dennis are not one in the same. While I don’t mind people calling me Dennis, I would assume that someone who lives in Canada and cites Quebec in many examples would recognize the difference.
    Regarding racism, no doubt it exists. However, the subtle form of racism that exists today is a far cry from the racism people like my father experienced as a youth during the days of segregation. Times have changed. People (largely the youth) are more likely to be interracial and associate multiculturally.
    Facebook is an interesting example. I bet if there was a facebook when the UBP was in power, you’d see radical black youth spouting off alot of the same.
    What those youth are saying is a reflection of the PLP’s hostility towards the white community. Those youth have grown up in a society far different from those that came before and yet are targeted, blamed and scapegoated as the reason why everything is wrong today. Being a white Bermudian puts a big bullseye on their chests and they have to harbour the blame of hundreds of years of injustice in which they had no say and you’re surprised that they’re rebelling against it? Youth rebel.

  20. Vanz b’ye, you must have missed the PLP memo this morning. All that segregation and discrimination in the past, that wasn’t racism, that was just white people’s Affirmative Action.

  21. 2 things Vance-
    (1)the legislation and infrastructure that was set up in the 80’s by very smart and proactive Bermudians is the reason why IB flocked here following 9/11…so they came in spite of the PLP not because of it.
    (2)”why are only white bdans able to see how bad the PLP is but not blk bdans?” – this shows a clear lack of what is going on in Bermuda today, probably brought about by your geographic location, but one only has to look at the voter breakdown of the last election 51% to 49%…this and the word on the street show that not all black Bermudians are buying what the PLP are pushing down our throats (or that even Ewart can’t buy everybody’s vote)

  22. clingtotherock, that 51 to 49 has more to do with the fact that:
    1st, whites probably vote at a higher percentage than blks (as they do in the states)
    2ndly, a backlash against jennifer smith’s aloof governing style.
    3rdly – u joking about buying votes huh, it’s a running joke that dunkley is buying votes everyday in his new riding that he’s losing.
    the next election you will see that margin widen and the UBP fold – i can’t see dunkley and gibbons putting anymore time into govt. after the next lost which will leave who to run the party?

  23. (sigh) Vanz…
    You still are not answering the questions.
    Instead you misdirect on (1) with something that has nothing to do with the PLP’s overt hostility to non-blacks and blacks who disagree with them on policy. It’s a perception which many feel is valid and which will affect their voting patters. Your disagreement is irrelevant in this context.
    On (2) you must be joking. There are numerous scandals, examples of mismanagement, and the very topic of this discussion relates to the lack of confidence in IB (which incidentally, is the main reason apparently for the fabled improvement in Tourism).
    For (3), it is invalid to point to others failings, real or trumped up, as an excuse for the PLP when they perform poorly. If your classmate gets an “F” on an exam in 1998 and you get an “F” in 2007, you still failed. Thanks for admitting the PLP has failed though.
    And with (4) you actually prove my first point with your discussion of historical voting patters, and add another point I had not mentioned—the fact that a substantial number of whites are voting for black leaders in the UBP. Thanks.
    The fact you are continuing to evade my specific questions as well as failing to contradict my points is as good as an admission on your part that I’m right across the board.
    I could give any number of examples debunking your non-responsive opinions, but frankly, until you start engaging in good faith by answering my questions as I’ve answered yours, I refuse to waste more effort with you. I know you want to make this a debate about 30 years ago, but we are talking about today, the present, 2007, etc.
    It was your choice to phrase the question in the present context, and really is the only relevant way to do so. Now man up and tell me your thoughts without all these attempts at distraction.
    As a refresher, these are the questions:
    A) What is your logic, if any, behind your opinion that the phenomenon where the majority of white Bermudians vote UBP (which, as you said, is a mixed-race party) is due to racism?
    B) What arguments specifically, logically, and rationally debunk my voting pattern theories?
    C) It’s clear you believe the UBP to be racist. If this were your only complaint about the UBP, would you vote for them in the next election? If not, why should whites who believe the PLP is either racist or discriminatory?
    D) Why should people reward a poorly performing government rather than hold them accountable?
    E) Is it logical for voters to reward a government who plays fast and loose with the law and threatens prosperity?
    F) Is it racist for a minority group to attempt to achieve the best representation possible when that means they must concentrate their votes in a single party? Does your opinion apply to other racial groups such as African Americans who currently vote overwhelmingly Democratic and historically have voted overwhelmingly for other parties? Why or why not? Does the fact that the party chosen is multi-racial negate allegations that racism is behind these patterns? Why or why not?

  24. silence – i honestly tried to answer ur questions i’m either not as smart as i think i am or ur just not heating what u want to hear – so be it – here’s what u want – i give up – i have a deadline:
    A) What is your logic, if any, behind your opinion that the phenomenon where the majority of white Bermudians vote UBP (which, as you said, is a mixed-race party) is due to racism?
    you’re right – whites vote overwhelmingly for the UBP because they think it’s a party with better candidates and that they will do a better job running the country.
    B) What arguments specifically, logically, and rationally debunk my voting pattern theories?
    u r right again here.
    C) It’s clear you believe the UBP to be racist. If this were your only complaint about the UBP, would you vote for them in the next election? If not, why should whites who believe the PLP is either racist or discriminatory?
    a.) no, i’m pro labour. 😉
    b.) you r right again – the plp are racist and whites should not vote 4 them
    D) Why should people reward a poorly performing government rather than hold them accountable?
    if they honestly believe that the candidates that the UBP r running can do a btter job then u r right again – vote them out for the better party.
    E) Is it logical for voters to reward a government who plays fast and loose with the law and threatens prosperity?
    that’s your opinion – i believe lincoln was accused of playing fast and loose with the law and threatened prosperity when he proposed to free the slave thus ending centuries of free labour.
    F) Is it racist for a minority group to attempt to achieve the best representation possible when that means they must concentrate their votes in a single party?
    in my observation blsk in the US vote for those who have their best interest at heart which historically been white liberals.

  25. Your refusal to discuss the issues in good faith and apparent lack of basis for your opinions says it all.
    Good luck–you’ll need it with this kind of attitude.

  26. um, no. black voter turn-out was the highest its ever been at the last election because cabs were paid for by the PLP to pick up voters and take them to the polls…imagine if they hadn’t been!..and while we’re on that note there are segments of the black community here who are becoming increasingly outspoken in their opposition to Ewarts governing style and are voicing their intention to vote the against him, but you’re not here so you wouldn’t know.
    secondly the only running joke is in your head because those rumors aren’t in this community whereas there is proof positive that Ewart is buying votes.
    thirdly – time will tell on what happens in the next election…I would hope that those who care for the country and ALL of it’s people will vote the PLP out, but you never know, emotion and rhetoric go a long way for voters who base their decisions on one thing only.

  27. good luck to you too silence – if u think u have it all figured out as far as race and politics in bda – like the UBP in 98 you’re sadly mistaken.

  28. dear cling – 1st, go out in dunkley’s riding and ask how much money he’s spent on “buying groceries” for people.
    2ndly let’s meet back here teh day after teh election – i’m willing to bet my life that the plp will win the next election.
    when u get a chance go to UBP.bm and look carefully at all the candidates and honestly pick the ones that you think will win a seat – you’ll come up with 10 at the most.

  29. Silencedogood,
    didn’t Ngugi wa Thiong’o, james joyce, hemmingway and Wole Soyinka among others often speak with distance and more perceptively of their homelands from afar than those who remained at home? did not mandella, who was basically removed from the reality of what was going on during the hot and heavy dismantling of south africa nonetheless emerge to have a a better take on how to move SA fwd. better then those who were on the ground and in the streets fighting living everyday, precisely because he held strong to those beliefs he had back in the 60s before going into prison on robbens island.
    ie. henry ford did not come up with the concept of the assembly line (the most important concept in the industrial age) by looking at what “present day” technology had to offer – he looked at rather primitive and old school paradigm – the disassembling of live stock at the meat packing houses in chicago – and saw how any man would be trained to deconstruct an animal in smooth running line operation.
    he took what he saw and inverted it – rather than an assembley line that pulled thins apart – why one that put things together.
    and i’m talking poor intellect not his issues with semitism.
    the ford reference is that the answers and key observations often come from those of us above the fray and see things sometimes clearer – and sometimes not.

  30. Vanz,
    If you are in that league, rather than simply deluding yourself, I have yet to see the evidence.
    I asked you in a straight forward manner to explain to me why you believe the things you believe. You couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.
    That doesn’t make you into Mandella or Ghandi.
    Stop using the dimestore politician’s tricks and let’s talk, otherwise, let’s not.

  31. silence i will say it again – i tried to answer ur questions honestly and clearly – if i am not doing so i guess i’m just not smart enuff to grasp what u r asking 4. in re; to racism ion bda do i have digitally time stamped footage of various white bdans at klan rallys? no – so i guess we’ll just assume that white bda has no racist elements until such evidence shows up.
    cheers,
    vc

  32. “i guess i’m just not smart enuff to grasp what u r asking 4”
    I’m starting to think so as well…perhaps you should start by discussing the questions asked, rather than the ones you wish were asked.
    Honestly Vanz, one minute you want us to treat your musings as if you were the second comming, the next you want us to give you more leeway than we would give a 5 year old.

  33. i post to express an opinion if this, “you want us to treat your musings as if you were the second comming,” is what u r taking my post – that says more about u than about me.
    again – u expressed an opinion – i expressed an opinion – you have no more concrete evidence of your opinion than i do of mine –
    and pls – just 4 fun take 1 of the things u asked and break down my response so that i see how exactly i am not answering ur question.
    and pls answer me this – are they’re any white racists in bda. in positions of power? yes or no?
    and this statement; “There are many reasons why I believe most white Bermudians do not vote PLP, none of which has anything to do with racism (on their part).”
    is assinine and racist –

  34. Since you are so sure I’m wrong, not to mention racist, why do you persist in refusing to explain why? I’ve only asked you to 20+ times.
    Vanz, you’re like school on saturday.

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