Privy Council Rules

It has just been announced that the Privy Council has ruled against the media ban on reporting about BHC.  No doubt, things are going to be interesting over the coming weeks.

Of particular interest:

They also awarded the costs, which could run into hundreds of thousands of dollars, against the Government.

Awesome.  Even more of our taxpayer money has gone to poor use.

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  1. Why is government paying the Legal costs, I thought this was an action taken by individuals to try and cover up some actions by individuals. The tax payer should most definatley not be covering the fees

  2. Nope, the action taken by individuals (Dr. Brown) was to sue for libel.
    The media gag order was undertaken by our government on behalf of all Bermudians so we could rest assured that less than ethical behavior would not see the light of day.
    Thus, seeing as the ruling has gone against the goverment, we have the joy of not only covering the legal fee’s for the governments host of special lawyers, but also for the media’s.
    It may cost us hundreds of thousands for the media’s legal fees, but when considering all that was spent for both sides, it could be a great deal more.
    Sadly just another example of government wasting our money.

  3. “thinking that the privy council will go against the plp is wishful thinking – remember a few years ago the stevedores wer equally as smug but ended up w/ egg on their face:
    Posted by: vanz | September 12, 2007 at 04:58 PM “

    Ahhh, I love being right. Any comments on the Privy Council ruling Vanz???

  4. I will make an easy prediction that beginning in as little as a few days that Julian Hall, Calvin Smith, LaVerne Furbert, et al. will be dispatched by Dr. Brown to allege this is either 1) part of a conspiracy (probably UBP or white), 2) colonialism designed to oppress bermuda, and/or 3) race was somehow involved (this one for sure).
    I would likewise not be surprised if Dr. Brown appealed the denial of his personal request for an injunction in his libel suit.
    If so, that sends a pretty strong message about what may be in the files because it will be his money on the table (or that of a supporter–which in most countries is illegal but probably not here).
    Interesting days ahead…

  5. “Sadly just another example of government wasting our money.”
    I’m torn. We should not have had to spend a dime on this, but if this is what it will cost to keep freedom of speech then bring it on. I’m certainly not supporting yet more waste of our money, but this does set a strong precedent in favour of the media. That is worth something.

  6. Funny how the Premier managed to be in China when this news hit and therefore unreachable for comment. Coincidence? Maybe not!

  7. Floating Onion,
    “We should not have had to spend a dime on this”
    While I agree, I don’t think the media should be required to foot the bill for defending their right to freedom of the press when the government was clearly wrong in attempting to gag the publication of the details of an investigation into a scandal involving a government organization.
    Unfortunately, because it was our government who was inept enough to believe they could successfully appeal this all the way to the Privy Council, it is they who shall be held accountable for the costs. Seeing as the government is our representation, we have little choice but to foot the bill and give better consideration the next time we decide to choose who represents us.

  8. Denis:
    “While I agree, I don’t think the media should be required to foot the bill for defending their right to freedom of the press when the government was clearly wrong”
    I completely agree. I have been behind the media the whole way. If they (media) were persuing a useless case I would expect them to pick up the bill. This is why I then said:
    “if this is what it will cost to keep freedom of speech then bring it on”
    We still have freedom of speech & need to hang on to it. I’m not happy that our government is wasting money in the courts on a foregone conclusion, but I’d rather we pay the money & get the truth. It should never have come to this, and we should not have to pay to see the BHC report. Hence why I’m torn… At this point I’m not particularly worried about the money spent on the case, yet I’m sick of the waste. Sorry if that wasn’t clear before.
    Again: “this does set a strong precedent in favour of the media. That is worth something”
    In the long run this ruling & getting the details out in public will be the best for us, even if not pretty.

  9. Congratulations to the Royal Gazette! I hope they do not forget that they have won this case on the grounds that WE the public have the right to know the truth. The documents should be published in full on the internet or otherwise made available to the public without delay! We deserve the whole truth not just excerpts and commentary.

  10. looks like a win for the dr. brown haterz.
    Oh … ok … so if the government acts improperly and attempts to obfuscate the release of information that is of serious public concern regarding the ethical conduct of certain PLP ministers the people (i.e. the voters and tax payers who are footing the $100+ bill for this David Copperfield exercise) are now “haterz”?
    C’mon Vanz … does the public not have a right to know if their elected officials have acted unethically? If not, why?

  11. Vanz,
    I disagree. This is not a win for Dr. Brown’s haters. This is a win for true democracy, freedom of speech and public access to information. The information contained within the BHC investigation report is not personal, it is tied to a government organization and the actions of government officials and thus the public has a right to knowing what it found.
    All along Dr. Brown has contested that he was exonerated. If this indeed is the case, the report will show that the accusations against him were thoroughly investigated and shown to be unfounded in fact and thus invalid. Thus, Dr. Brown’s haters win nothing.
    However, if Dr. Brown has been misleading the public all along, then again this is no win. This is a loss to know that an individual who could have done many great things ended up stealing from the very people he proports to want to help. That would be a win for no one.

  12. Vanz,
    That’s a cop out and you know it. Or are we supposed to believe that everyone from the drafters of the laws involved, the various judges establishing the legal precedents relied upon by the media in their arguments (most of whom are either long dead or never heard of EB), as well as the various Bermuda courts and the privy council are all “brown haterz”?
    This case was about many things, freedom of the press chief among them, but certainly not about hate for anyone, including the Premier.
    If, as you fear, the UBP does win the next election and, as you believe, have not changed their spots I think you will be particularly pleased to have this precedent when you look to critize them (assuming of course you change your spots and show an interest in backing up your criticisms).
    That’s the point though! You can’t have different laws depending on who is in power. The system itself, not the people currently running it, needs to be the focus of any and all reforms so that regardless of who is in office, the people are in charge and the people can hold those representatives accountable with the most transparency and least effort. These reforms have to cater to the highest common denominator as well, not the lowest.
    Drop the hate and wake up.

  13. the point is that dunkley tried to take the govt. down through the courts – the courts, along with help from scotland yard and the fbi ruled that nothing illegal had been done. the only illegal thing done was that confidential police files were stolen and put out into the public. i guess brown’s enemies felt that if they couldn’t lynch him in the legal courts they’d try and lynch him in the court of public opinion. if all of the allegations are true then yes something should be done – the fact is that dunkley is the one who first bought this up in the house – probably because he knew how the UBp had used the BHC as their cash machine for decades – also dunkley did this not because he cares about bda but because he wanted to bring the plp down – at the end of the day that’s all this is – political – if the ubp truly had bdas interest at heart why not investigate the BHC books over the last 20 years as opposed to just the plp years – with forensic accounting we could make sure exactly when the BHC was on the up and up and when it wasn’t – my gut feeling is that the plp did nothing that the ubp hadn’t done for decades – it doesn’t make it right but t does show this whole thing for what it really is – politics as usual.

  14. Vanz,
    Of course for the UBP this is political, how could it not be? It is their job as the opposition to find corruption. If corruption happened under the UBP, it was the PLP’s job as opposition to uncover it.
    However, this case wasn’t about the UBP, it was about the PLP attempting to gag the media from publishing something that rightfully should be allowed to be distributed in the public domain.
    Frig, the PLP itself promised to introduce Public Access to Information legislation and the results of this investigation would have be able to be acquired under it if it had been done properly.
    Freedom of the press and public access to information should be in place regardless of what government is in power.

  15. one more thing
    “my gut feeling is that the plp did nothing that the ubp hadn’t done for decades”
    So what? That is the exact reason why the UBP is no longer in power, people lost trust for them.
    If the PLP get voted out for the same stupidness, don’t be surprised, because if we have to, we’ll keep swapping parties until one of them smartens up and starts thinking of whats in the best interests of our people instead of themselves.

  16. The courts have not decided that there was no wrong doing. It was the DPP that did. Some of the revelations made by the Mid Ocean seem to shed a possibility of doubt on the validity of that decision.

  17. Not really Full Foolish. It’s called covering your ‘chapstick’.
    Gotta run………get my ‘rikshaw’ ready at the “Becauseway”.

  18. Bummy, I believe you missed my intent. I was being sarcastic as what Vanz said was pretty much what most of us have said, with the exception that most of us “haterz” also wanted the gag order lifted. I found it amusing that Vanz sang this tune suddenly and sounding like the rest of us “haterz”. 🙂

  19. “probably because he knew how the UBp had used the BHC as their cash machine for decades”
    Care to back that up with anything?
    And your right. If it is the case “it doesn’t make it right but t does show this whole thing for what it really is” is certainly true. But that’s hardly any reason for us to accept ‘politics as usual’.

  20. MAN oh MAN !!!!
    The ignorance here is increadable.
    The “PRESS” is fighting for your that is you to have a “FREE” press.Unless you want to be like “CUBA” ?????????
    And incase you have forgotten there are alot of PLP that love “CUBA”. and alot of black bermudians whom love cuba.Because of their “SEX” tourism.
    The “UBP” never had to suppress information.
    Once you start to supress information,you head toward dictatorship.
    JUST LOOK AT ZIMBABWEE,IT USED TO BE THE FOOD BASKET OF SOUTHERN AFRICA.
    ANY ONE LIKE A FREE ONE WAY TICKET TO JAMICA OR MAYBE HAITI.
    Did you read about the progress in the caribbean ??????
    The large white companys in america are out sourcing some of the telephone stuff to the tune of 2.5billion dollars this year.the english speaking islands.The minister from “Jamaca” said they have 14,000 new very good jobs,and yes the pay is between 2.75 and 3.25 dollars per hour.
    Just incase you cant get a job in Bermusa.
    sea ya

  21. the point is that dunkley tried to take the govt. down through the courts
    What power does Dunkley have over the police, department of public prosecution and the courts that would him enable him to take the government down? Please be specific.
    the courts, along with help from scotland yard and the fbi ruled that nothing illegal had been done.
    Isn’t that for the courts to decide?
    the only illegal thing done was that confidential police files were stolen and put out into the public.
    The files were allegedly stolen … theft hasn’t been proven. In fact the Police Commissioner first stated they were “missing” so even they don’t know for sure. Furthermore copies of the files were disseminated to certain media outlets, not the stolen documents.
    i guess brown’s enemies felt that if they couldn’t lynch him in the legal courts they’d try and lynch him in the court of public opinion.
    What is it with you and lynching?
    if all of the allegations are true then yes something should be done
    So would that make also you a Dr. Brown hater if he is in fact found to have acted unethically (if not illegally) or is the term haterz only reserved for the 49% of the population who didn’t vote for the PLP?
    the fact is that dunkley is the one who first bought this up in the house
    Yes … and the government completely denied there was any wrongdoing.
    – probably because he knew how the UBp had used the BHC as their cash machine for decades
    Care to support that allegation with facts or are you just mudslinging from the corner you’ve backed yourself in to?
    also dunkley did this not because he cares about bda but because he wanted to bring the plp down
    So by your reasoning it is not in our collective best interests to hold our elected officials to a high ethical standard?
    – at the end of the day that’s all this is – political
    Um … no. The Privy Council were quite clear that the information contained in those files should be released as THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW
    if the ubp truly had bdas interest at heart why not investigate the BHC books over the last 20 years as opposed to just the plp years – with forensic accounting we could make sure exactly when the BHC was on the up and up and when it wasn’t
    No argument here. While we’re at it lets completely reform the way government operates and introduce PATI legislation. John Barritt’s recent remarks were spot on:
    The expenditure of public money and the operation of any Government department or of any Government funded quango should be subject at all times to review and investigation by a more active Public Accounts Committee of the House of Assembly, or a working sub-committee thereof, which meets consistently and regularly, if not weekly, with all the necessary powers to summon Ministers and civil servants to account, and whose meetings should be open to the press and public.
    Do you disagree that in the 21st century Bermuda should have more progressive and modern legislative infrastructure?
    – my gut feeling is that the plp did nothing that the ubp hadn’t done for decades – it doesn’t make it right but t does show this whole thing for what it really is – politics as usual.
    So in the absence of any real information and all of the foregoing assumptions your remarks are ultimately supported by … your gut?

  22. Settle down there harry. You are mangling what was initially a valid point with semi-coherent ranting.
    Please don’t create a situation in which I might have to agree with Vanz due to your comments about sex tourism, etc.

  23. if you “byes” really feel that the UBP would do a better job then vote for them – end of story – having met and talked to dunkley, pamphlin etc. they don’t seem like teh smartest bunch – but hey – more power to you “byes”.

  24. You know Vanz, if you want to criticize someone else’s intelligence, particularly if you plan to do so vaugely (aka a “cheap shot”), it might be a good idea to at least spell properly in your post. Just a suggestion…

  25. Vans suggestion that the UBP were using the BHC as their cash machine is off the mark. The police didn’t go in, seize 30,000 documents, and stop looking when they reached the election date. The police investigated corruption at BHC, period. If there was long-standing corruption that occurred before the election:
    1. It would have been uncovered in the course of the investigation, and;
    2. The UBP would have no motivation to unleash the investigators on BHC – it would uncover their corruption too.
    Think people!

  26. andrew- i need you to think – i asked dunkley (the person who initiated this concern) personally, why not look futher back at the bhc books and he said that there was no need to – so what nonsense are you spouting about the police having looked at all the bhc records – they did not they looked only at a small window during the plp rule
    Think Andrew!!!
    also, go down to public records and look at the records for building the new airport terminal and the westgate prison and then dig a little into how much over budget that those projects came in at – and then look into who got the contracts for even the smallest jobs on those projects – you’ll see that the jack sharpes and david gibbons’ etc. got those contracts – so much so that gibbons co. even had the contract to provide the House of Parliament with toilet paper.
    when the UBP was in power, dunkley was on the hospitals board – how much you wanna bet that dunkley’s dairy has the contract for providing the hospital with milk – conflict of interest or just biz as usual.
    story; my grandfather was turned down for a home loan in the 50s – decades later that same loan officer apologized to my grandfather saying “no hard feelings” that it was just biz as usual. i hope dr. brown ends this nonsense of letting the ubp and the white elite get away with biz as usual and stands up to them once once and for all so my children don’ t have to suffer under the “biz as usual” excuse all over again.

  27. ” i hope dr. brown ends this nonsense of letting the ubp and the white elite get away with biz as usual and stands up to them once once and for all ”
    Vanz,
    I wish you could hear yourself. You condemn the UBP and ‘white elite’ for taking advantage of their political power, yet turn a blind eye to the PLP and the ‘black elite’ when they do the exact same thing.
    Have you considered that Dr. Brown may be no great savior and is partaking in the exact same abuse of power? It is very possible that he himself has abused his political power just as the UBP did which makes him just as guilty and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
    If he was a truly great leader who actually gave a damn about the little guy, he would introduce proper changes to our system of government to bring it into the 21st century.
    We would have proper anti-corruption laws.
    We would have proper Public Access to Information legislation.
    We would have protection for Whistleblowers.
    We would have a right of recall.
    We would have the ability to petition for a binding referendum.
    Many of these things have been idle promises made by the PLP and yet not one of them have come to frutition.
    The reality is that politicians like Dr. Brown use racism to get you all fired up emotionally so you turn a blind eye to them partaking in the very same henious acts that the UBP did. You’re nothing but a pawn being used and sacraficed so that they can keep the power.
    If Dr. Brown really and truly was exonorated he would order the release of the investiation that shows how the allegations were fully investigated and prove that they are unfounded and he is not guilty. His unwillingness to do so does not prove his guilt but neither does it prove his innocence and thus we are all left wondering and willing to listen to polical ploys.
    As Gandhi and Martin Luthor King Jr. once said:
    “An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind”
    Think about it.

  28. also, go down to public records and look at the records for building the new airport terminal and the westgate prison and then dig a little into how much over budget that those projects came in at
    Vanz … are you just guessing here or do you have hard numbers? You know … hard un-refuted numbers … sort of like the new Berkeley Institute which is inxs of 100% over budget.
    and then look into who got the contracts for even the smallest jobs on those projects – you’ll see that the jack sharpes and david gibbons’ etc. got those contracts
    Again … guessing, grasping or simply gesticulating? Please name actual names, amounts, etc. instead of making sweeping generalisations.
    so much so that gibbons co. even had the contract to provide the House of Parliament with toilet paper.
    Are you quite certain? Last time I looked Gibbons & Co. weren’t in the wholesale importation/distribution of toiletries business. Care to elaborate further or are you just throwing as much against the wall as possible hoping to see what sticks.
    when the UBP was in power, dunkley was on the hospitals board – how much you wanna bet that dunkley’s dairy has the contract for providing the hospital with milk – conflict of interest or just biz as usual.
    Perhaps you could help me understand something … how many dairy producers are there in Bermuda who would be in a position to bid on this contract? While you’re at it why stop there … how about electricity? If a board member of BELCo is/was also sitting on the BHB would that similarly be a conflict of interest?
    story; my grandfather was turned down for a home loan in the 50s – decades later that same loan officer apologized to my grandfather saying “no hard feelings” that it was just biz as usual.
    What does this mean? What reasons (exactly) were given other than business as usual? Perhaps your grandfather was not fiscally able to qualify for a loan. If he was but turned down simply because of the colour of his skin, that’s entirely unacceptable … so is the reciprocal today. As two wrongs don’t make a right why do you keep pushing for this approach?
    i hope dr. brown ends this nonsense of letting the ubp and the white elite get away with biz as usual and stands up to them once once and for all so my children don’ t have to suffer under the “biz as usual” excuse all over again.
    Again … what (exactly) do you mean by business as usual? I completely agree with wanting the best for your and my children but unfortunately the (almost) vengeful actions of Dr. Brown compounded by an apparent unwillingness to act in an ethical and upstanding manner makes me wonder if this is possible. He seems to be doing more to divide than unite us … thereby reducing opportunities for our collective social, cultural and economic advancement.
    … oh … hold on minute … wasn’t this thread supposed to be about the Privy Council ruling instead of UBP bashing … yep thought so … I guess we should get used to the likes of Vanz trying to derail discussions with the blame game / they did it too defense instead of actually responding to valid criticisms.
    Clearly his unwillingness to engage in a discussion of the topic at hand is a tacit admission of Dr. Brown’s unethical behaviour … perhaps even bordering on approval and admiration.
    Vanz – care to move back on target here?
    Is it not in the public’s best interest to determine if our elected officials acted in an unethical manner?
    Is it in the taxpayer’s best interest for our government to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars (of our money) in an attempt to obfuscate, delay, subvert the release of important information regarding the conduct of our MPs while serving in a fiduciary capacity?

  29. Vanz,
    go down to public records and look at the records for building the new airport terminal and the westgate prison and then dig a little into how much over budget that those projects came in at – and then look into who got the contracts for even the smallest jobs on those projects – you’ll see that the jack sharpes and david gibbons’ etc. got those contracts – so much so that gibbons co. even had the contract to provide the House of Parliament with toilet paper.
    Although I sincerely doubt that you have, you say this as though you have done this legwork already and it’s proven fact. Note the double standard. Why not just say so if you’ve put all that work in–you deserve the credit. Make your case and give specific examples similar to what the MON printed regarding Dr. Brown and the BHC. Think about it, you could be Son of the Soil II: The Bermy-Canuck Avenger. Or is this just your “gut” prompting you to talk out of your @rse again…
    Wait! Maybe you are the original Son of the Soil and all of your racist comments over at PM are just a front to conceal your true identity. I mean, from your comments you must have read the BHC file, right? Otherwise how could you be so sure that the police didn’t investigate the entire history of the BHC as Andrew reasons? You are a true master of disguise Vanz…a political ninja.
    But I’m confused. Why then has the PLP not conducted a full investigation of all present and past corruption? I mean, as the government, there is literally nothing stopping the PLP from investigating allegations of past abuses. Certainly your god-like leader, Dr. Brown, can push through an investigation the same as any SDO, clinic closure, or quota law.
    I’ve got an idea!
    Since you seem to be on a first name basis with all the local politicians, why not ask your ace bye about why he hasn’t investigated corruption back as far as records will go?
    Oh…but they can’t do that can they? First the PLP would have to be held accountable for anything currently going on, right? It would look quite hypocritical otherwise. That might start a trend where the Bermuda public asks for reform so that they are always able to hold politicians accountable, including those presently in office (GASP!)—now that would really be killing the goose that laid the golden egg, wouldn’t it?
    Supposing the PLP did investigate all corruption. Sure, they would get to hammer the UBP for any supported allegations of corruption, but how many current UBP members would that implicate? Shoot, I don’t know, but I doubt it would be that many. I’d really love to stick it to those guys, but doing a full investigation would also mean the PLP has to give up their straw man of “The UBP did it too” for issues where no historical corruption was found. My god! Those facts would be inconvenient around election time.
    Then people might want facts on all the issues…
    No way the PLP should do that! That’s—that’s like more than half the their platform they would have to give up. Running on a reasoned debate of the issues…what a nightmare that would be. Just think about it…


    It’s ok. It’s ok Vanz. Rest easy, those things will never happen under Dr. Brown or the PLP.
    I was just telling you a scary story for a late Halloween prank. Boo!
    Take a moment, go to your happy place, and I’m sure you will be back to making unsupported allegations and slurs in no time.

  30. dennis i usually find your comments fair minded – but pls. never accuse me of this, “The reality is that politicians like Dr. Brown use racism to get you all fired up emotionally.” – i graduated from hampton university and went to post grad at howard – so i am not some “yokel” who gets fired up over “race talk” – been there done that as a student. – maybe your readers are projecting their anger on me – right now i’m in my bathrobe – scanning my daily internet reads and watching the new season of scrubs (blk and white bda could learn a lot about racial harmony from Jd and turk) so no I’m not gettin’ all niggerish cause of this race talk.
    re; my grandfather – the loan officer said that the “only” reason was his skin colour.
    point black, dr. brown is a better leader for this country than the other option dim dunkley – point black – the majority of the plp candidates are a better quality of leader than the ubp’s motley crew – john swan himself said that the UBP seems to have trouble attracting “quality black people”
    all u byes sound just like the screeching hypocritical republicans who had it in for bill clinton – get angry at some real shit – like child abuse, drug abuse, the destruction of the family, why coed and casemates is full of young blk men – issues that matter – not some bullshit about missing cedar beams.
    this all comes down to you byes like your blk men to be pliant and docile – but when one isn’t you can’t just physically lynch him like back in the day – so you have to lynch him in other ways.
    get over it – stop whining – and hurry up and move to australia, new zealand or the UK already. leave the nice whites though – their cool.
    i say this with a smile on my face – cause some of you think that i’m all about hatred.

  31. Let me get this straight so I’m clear on what you are saying Vanz:
    1) Detailed allegations that the leader of the country may have defrauded not only the people of Bermuda, but also a charitable government program designed to build homes for low income (predominantly black) Bermudians, for hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars and may have taken fixtures of our historical buildings to install in his personal home does not qualify as “real shit” in your book, correct?
    2) You are not the racist ass you appear to be, but instead are an enlightened individual who is carefully weighing the facts, positions, and qualifications of each party’s candidate before voting. In other words, an independent. In fact, despite your nearly constant use of race in debate, your opinions are the result of that careful analysis not emotional reactions to the race card being played. Correct?
    3) Those who disagree with you do so because they are, in fact, racist and do not do so based on principle. Further, and despite the fact you don’t know us personally, we never have and never could support a strong black leader no matter how honest, intelligent, or qualified. This is what you are saying right?
    4) And lastly, any black person who disagrees with you must be docile and somehow not “black” enough rather than someone who thinks for themselves and simply has a different point of view. Is this what you are saying?
    I want to be sure I’m interpreting your beliefs correctly. So feel free to clarify.

  32. Vanz,
    If you’re as educated as you purport than certainly you can agree that it is better to have no corruption.
    The core reason why I see you as being emotionally fired up over race talk is because in many cases you have condoned and supported alleged corruption if done by blacks because whites did it.
    If race wasn’t a factor, you would deplore all corruption and call on Premier Brown to institute proper anti-corruption legislation that was promised years ago.
    As for the Dr. Brown vs. Michael Dunkley debate, we’ve discussed this before and I disagree completely with personality driven organizations over process based ones. I do not base any level of support on one individual as Bermuda’s savior.
    Right now, I’m inclined to vote UBP in the next election simply because they promise the changes to our system of government we desperately need. I have my doubts about their ability to govern just as I have my doubts about the PLP’s ability, however, they are the only ones promising such changes and the PLP has had 9 years to enact them.
    “get angry at some real shit – like child abuse, drug abuse, the destruction of the family, why coed and casemates is full of young blk men – issues that matter – not some bullshit about missing cedar beams.”
    I am angry at the “real shit”.
    I’m ANGRY at the lack of affordable housing and the potential that our leader may have ripped off the very organization dedicated to providing housing opportunities for those in need.
    I’m ANGRY at the state of the education system. A promise the PLP made 9 years ago that has remained unfullfilled. I’m ANGRY that our leaders would manipulate graduation statistics to improve their own image while shoving our disadvantaged youth, especially our disadvantaged black youth, under the carpet to further their own political cause.
    I’m ANGRY that race is used as a divisive tool as a means to divide and conquer our people and I’m ANGRY that we are moving backwards rather than forwards.
    I want real leadership of which I see NEITHER party as capable of producing. What I do see are at least one of them is finally proposing the changes needed to at least stop our politicians from so easily abusing their power.

  33. I apologize to you, Denis. I respect you but I must say I call it like I see it–Vanz’s repeated racist comments about white people are as offensive and ignorant as if someone else were making racist comments about blacks. IMHO, neither should be tolerated.
    It’s your blog, so it won’t happen again.

  34. again dennis – as far as the non – pro – plp set go – u seem to be the most level headed – but if after looking at the plp and ubp candidates side by side and reading or listening to the solutions and plans that each party is proposing, how do u come up with casting ur vote for the ubp – i hate speculate but anytime that uve voted was probably for the ubp.

  35. Vanz,
    You shouldn’t speculate on such matters.
    Last election was the first I was eligible to vote and I did not vote UBP.
    I’ve looked at the candidates and the solutions and I’m impressed by neither.
    There is only one thing that stands out. That is reform to our system of government which I have long advocated. There is nothing stopping the PLP from instituting the many needed reforms which have been proposed by myself and many others. If they were to do so, they would earn my support.
    Right now, only the UBP have proposed such reforms. I am wary to accept that their promises will go fullfilled but seeing as the PLP is uninterested in such reform, their promises hold more weight than nothing.

  36. dennis – rnt u missing the forest 4 the trees – the ubp has no plan to lead the country other than that they’ll institute some reform measure s that they should’ve done decades ago anyway. seems a rather oddly singular reason to choose a govt.
    i mean isn’t dunkley the ceo who was too dim to know that there was a major drug ring operating under his nose and who also appointed an ex drug dealer to be his right hand man – this is the person you want steering bda into the future – i mean he replaced his facebook pic with the one with him and tiger woods – that’s what a 12 yr odl does – yet u want him to run the country – we’d be doomed 4 sure. he is a nice guy but come on – he’s in way over his head.

  37. Vanz,
    Since there is a problem with drugs in Bermuda, and presumably more than one drug ring in operation, which is arguably getting worse and Brown is the current premier (or CEO equivalent) does this make him “dim” as well since he hasn’t uncovered them? What about Col. Burch? Are you calling the police “dim” also?
    Never mind that part of government’s job is to fight crime and that it has trained resources available to do so while a dairy’s job is simply to produce and distribute milk?
    But hey, if you want Michael Dunkley to put on a cape and tights and start catching criminals, he has already nabbed his first one through his support of the investigation into the BHC. Once the files are out he may get to put a few more points in that column too. Cheers!

  38. Dunkley panders to the most conservative, homophobic churches, seems somewhat out of touch with public attitudes, doesn’t seem to be able to understand the current state of race relations and only looks good when you compare him to Dr. Brown. Lucky for him that’s the only person he’s up against and man, he looks absolutely GOLDEN compared the doc.!
    With regards to all the friends in low places – both parties and party leaders are surrounded by convicted criminals which doesn’t lead a person to place must trust in either party which is sad because I think right about now they all need as much help in the public trust department as they can get!

  39. “he looks absolutely GOLDEN” – is golden white speak for blond – cause yeah i guess he’s got that going 4 him. hey wait a minute – he’s going for the dumb blonde vote – he’s a shoo in – thanks 4 the observation mike.
    – and do ya’ll really think that the ubp will win the next election – seriously?

  40. “and do ya’ll really think that the ubp will win the next election – seriously?”
    No I don’t think so at all. I hate to say it but the vast majority of swing voters will have lost all their outrage by Christmas let alone next spring.

  41. Vanz,
    Firstly, I will go waaay out on a limb here and speculate that the vast majority of Bermudians vote for parties rather than candidates. This is probably even more true nowadays with single seat constituencies.
    Secondly, I believe that there has been no point so far in Bermuda’s history when the PLP were the best party and they have won twice so far so, no I don’t believe that Bermudians neccessarily vote for the best possible party. Does anyone?

  42. “the ubp has no plan to lead the country other than that they’ll institute some reform measure s that they should’ve done decades ago anyway. seems a rather oddly singular reason to choose a govt. ”
    From what I can tell, the PLP has no plan either and the reform measure is one that should be getting pursued by both parties.
    “don’t you think that the majority of bdan voters both blk and white vote for the best possible candidate?”
    I can tell you from the perspective of one voter in Constituency #3 that the best candidate right now is Suzanne Holzhouser. She works hard for St. Davids and responded to my email about the issues with the busses after a couple days. Unfortunately I’m still waiting on my response from Lovitta Foggo.

  43. I won’t go so far as to predict a UBP victory, but neither will I rule it out. I don’t buy into this cult of PLP invincibility, most of which is propaganda. Look who is defending Dr. Brown now—Julian Hall, Calvin Smith, Vanz Chapman, and I’m sure LaVerne Furbert will be trotted out soon enough. Not exactly fair-minded, middle of the road voters who inspire confidence in the majority of Bermudians.
    BHC will have a lot to do with the outcome. The truth will come out, its just a matter of when. If the “Main Man” who is holding himself out as the champion of black people everywhere is shown to have ripped off a charity benefitting poor blacks I don’ t think that will be forgiven lightly. Perhaps that’s why Son of the Soil was supposedly a black PLP supporter.
    The PLP panders to the same churches who are well versed on the 10 commandments, including “thou shalt not steal”. Taxi drivers may not be mollified by the rate hike and still nursing grudges over GPS. In any case, I doubt they will ferry PLP voters to the polls like in days gone by. The black middle class has the most to lose by government alienating IB which seems to be EB’s top priority, after cedar beams that is. I imagine they are pissed off at having to pay $15K per child, per year on top of an already high cost of living if they want their kids to get a decent education too. Plus I imagine some poorer voters haven’t forgotten the clinic closure or the dismal response to the dump fire. Let’s not forget the fiasco regarding local branches of the PLP picking their candidates. In fact, EB has done almost as much to alienate his core supporters as he has with non-black voters.
    Meanwhile, nobody wants to say “yeah, I support the UBP” because it’s become the uncool thing to do mainly due to PLP marketing them as the “racist/white party” which ignores the fact its a mixed race party(if only the PLP was as good at governance as it is marketing). Despite that they have been out of power long enough to send them a message; they are the only party proposing the necessary reforms; and we’ve gotten to a point with all the PLP screw ups where I think a lot of people are asking “how much worse could they be?”. Not to mention the fact that if they don’t live up to their promises people can vote them right back out of office easily enough.
    Despite Vanz fawning admiration, it’s not as if the PLP is full of rocket scientists by comparison. If that were true, why have they screwed up so royally in the past 9 years? Why are they co-opting the UBP’s phraseology of “on the doorstep” and “consultation” so late in the game?
    Seriously, it took them 4-6 months to figure out that Southlands was a bad move and that they should have discussed it with the public first? They have the gall to then come out saying they always lead by consulting the public and (and this is almost hilariously audacious) saying they are “revolutionizing education” on the evening news!
    C’mon now, I know the Ministry of Education is working hard to make it otherwise, but the average Bermudian is smarter than that.
    National poll numbers show them in a dead heat, even by Walton Brown’s survey results (which, if anything, is biased for the PLP).
    I say its anybody’s game…

  44. “I believe that there has been no point so far in Bermuda’s history when the PLP were the best party…”
    interesting mike – i know exactly what you mean here – the ubp has always been the “best” party
    and don’t be fooled by thinking that those who speak out the most are in the minority – ud be surprised what the quiet nice blk bdans really feel about the ubp and their ilk.
    tel me mike – r u a racist? and be truthful.

  45. Vanz,
    “don’t be fooled by thinking that those who speak out the most are in the minority”
    I’m doubt they would quite make up the majority but I think I know what you mean.
    I think that we are all racist even if in an imperceptible and subconscious way, probably even in reverse in some cases. I try not to be and don’t feel like I am. No sober person has ever called me a racist to my face and as a kid a lot of friends told me I didn’t count as a white guy. Usually, of course, because they would forget I was there while spouting off some general complaint about white people but it made me feel good anyway. What do you think? Am I racist? Are you racist? What about “the People”? Do you think that the majority is always right?

  46. “I believe that there has been no point so far in Bermuda’s history when the PLP were the best party…”
    ” as a kid a lot of friends told me I didn’t count as a white guy.”
    both these statements come from an overtly racist though not malicious place in your psyche – most people pre judge but no, most people are not racist – to think that u r better than someone based on your race
    and what is assumed about your race is racist – the anger that most white bdns have twd dr. brown comes from a racist place in their psyche – bda has become used to their blk leaders (ubp blks) being accommodating and pliant – so now that there is a blk male leader who is non compliant with that mindset – it angers them. it took living in canada for over a decade to see how truly seperatist and racist much of white bda has been and continues to be – if u r not in that group then more power to you. a blk ubper recently told me that while out at a function with a white ubpers’ wife – the wife got tipsy and started to talk about what the problem with blk bda is – i think that many white bdans think this way – they can’t bring themselves to see themselves as the problem. sad but true.

  47. Vanz,
    Using your definiton I would agree that most people are not racist in that way.
    “the anger that most white bdns have twd dr. brown comes from a racist place in their psyche”
    What about the anger many black Bermudians have for Dr. Brown? Where does that come from? We all seem to have defects of the psyche, So now what, argue over who’s the worst? Why not start by agreeing on something that is pretty hard to disagree with for now? Can we agree that if you take what doesn’t belong to you, you don’t deserve to run the country?
    “the wife got tipsy and started to talk about what the problem with blk bda is – i think that many white bdans think this way – they can’t bring themselves to see themselves as the problem. sad but true.”
    Yes many people white and black people in Bermuda think this way including the leaders of both parties in some ways. Why is the lady assumed to think that way just because she spoke her mind? You speak your mind about the problems with “White Bermuda”. Is that because you don’t feel that “Black Bermuda” contributes to the problem?

  48. mike – it’s late – i’m tired – if in this day and age u don’t see that the bulk of the problems that bda is experiencing now in education, blk advancement, race relations etc. is as a direct result of white bdas reluctance to share the wealth and confront their white supremacist attitudes – then we have no hope for now – i know many blk men who love and take advantage of the blk man/big dick stereotype – i’m sure that many white men do the same with their equivalent “big dick” stereotype.
    at then end of the day in bda – whites owned blacks not vice versa – that is our history – both sides will simultaneously fight to change and keep the same.

  49. Vanz,
    That’s OK, no need to answer the questions or engage in logical reason. Having read your opinions I can certainly understand why logic would be unattractive to you.

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