Hype

Increasingly Bermuda’s newest political party seems to be quite literally attempting to create what they describe as an “Obama-like movement”.  Taking a page from Obama’s election strategy playbook they’re playing heavy on inspirational hype and light on details.  Obama’s strategy counted on capturing votes of disillusioned and disenfranchising former republican supporters and it worked.  The distinction here though, is that Bermuda is not the United States.  Inspirational hype and light on details has been the Progressive Labour Party’s modus operandi for two elections now and many have grown tired of hype over substance. 

In the last couple elections we’ve seen the PLP play heavy on hype while the United Bermuda Party played heavy on details.  Hype won and details didn’t and yet in the long term, hype didn’t produce the results many were hoping for.  The new Bermuda Party may be focusing on hype with their ‘Obama-like movement’ and it may rope in many former UBP supporters who are tired of detail not producing results would it also turn off PLP supporters rather sick of hype?  There were elements of it last election when in the final stretch the PLP rolled out a raft of promises for “Free” social services to win over those not buying it.  Why would hype still be considered a winning strategy?

Bermuda isn’t the United States.  Hype worked for Obama because if he won he’d have the power to instill the ‘change’ he was promising.  Obama was racing to head up the opposition leading Democratic Party not the Constitution Party.  Hype in this instance can buy you support because you’ll have a chance to prove yourself on election.  Hype for the Constitution Party is largely irrelevant because there is less of a case you’d get the chance to back it up with results.  The new Bermuda Party is similar to the Constitution Party, they’re still rather irrelevant and unproven.

It is largely telling to watch the progress of the new Bermuda Party’s movement.  They have yet to rope in much of any of one of Bermuda’s most vocal political segments, the online blog and forum community.  Indeed, if one were to look across the internet following their recent party conference you would note that none of the prominent blogs had written anything of what happened and the only mention they received on the Bermuda is Another World forum site was who won their election and more talk about their lack of substance.   Talk and buzz otherwise has been thin and rather non existent.

The largest issue with the new Bermuda Party’s hype strategy is that they’ve still yet to clearly define themselves as much more than the UBP’s sidecar.  “Obama-like movement” notwithstanding, hype doesn’t do a whole lot to rope in disillusioned PLP supports and independents quite frankly sick of it.  Refashioning a strategy that worked in the US to apply here in Bermuda disregards the fact that we aren’t the US and represents a misunderstanding of who we truly are.  Bermuda most needs a Bermuda movement, one focused in inspiration as well as details.  One that ventures off the path of petty bickering and truly begins to involve the people as a driving force behind Bermuda politics rather than as just a tick in a box.   One that represents a significant divergence from our present political structure.  One that fights for the kind of change Bermudians are truly desperate for, the kind of change of substance that will fix our broken system and start truly dealing with our root societal problems.  Hype isn’t it.

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  1. Come on, you’re better than this.
    There are platform documents out there – incomplete IMHO.
    A few months ago six guys sat around a table and decided to do something – and they did. In a few months they went from a handful of ex-UBP MPs to a room with hundreds of people there to listen, hear, and support the new leadership of the BDA – which has largely come from people who have never before set foot in politics. If you had bothered to show up last night – or to a previous UBP AGM then the difference is nothing short of astounding.
    It’s great to sit in an arm chair and be critical, but at least show up at some UBP functions (if you can find one) or a PLP rally (if they’ll let you in the door) and ask around to see if it is in fact different.
    Obama lost his mojo because he dispensed with his best people after the election and built and administration of clowns… we’ll know if the BDA do that only after they win an election.
    Different people, different message, different history.

  2. Alex, where are the BDA’s platform documents? All I’ve seen is their ‘core values’ and ‘leadership principle’s’, both of which amount to a big ball of fluffy nothingness. They do have some links under their news section on various things like ‘education’ and whatnot, but these consist of whatever ramblings various members have been quoted as saying in the RG/Sun. Hardly anything amounting to platform documents/policy.
    What I see is a bunch of people tired with the UBP’s stagnation (and understandably at that) and caught up with a very superficial and vulgar idea of politics. They may develop into something in the future, but they sure have their work cut out for them in translating castles in the sky into even sand castles right now.
    Why should anyone attend their conference the other day? They haven’t done anything to attract my interest and I assume Denis’ at that.

  3. There were hundreds of people at their conference last night – virtually none of them familiar faces and the crowd was surprisingly older than I expected and also very racially integrated, probably 50/50 with the core of the BDA’s leadership being firmly and truly black Bermudian. No room for allegations that there’s a boogeyman behind the scenes.
    I’ve read some of the early platform documents that were handed out at the meeting on crime they had the other week. It wasn’t immune from critique but was a refreshing change from the government’s “ban hoodies” solution.
    You don’t build a house in a day.
    Without question the BDA is resounding different from the UBP and the PLP. Because of the PLP’s radical tack and the UBP’s fundamentally sound opposition platform any sensible government is going to appear to be more similar to the UBP, but having been involved with the UBP and seeing the BDA in action there is simply no comparison.
    Ultimately the value of an organisation (and not an individual like Obama) is the organisation’s ability to attract and retain good people. I believe that if they keep things going the BDA will unquestionably attract and retain excellent people who did not fit in the UBP or PLP – and there are a lot of people from all sectors of the community in that group.

  4. Oh the irony Mr. Starling. Your last sentence sums it up.
    Apparently they have attracted your interests, unless someone else is using your name. You just commented on it.
    But you can’t be physical because your not in Bermudan. People did attend.
    I mean…come on. You want Mr. Cannonier to stand up and say he and his party are going to half the depbt in 3 months once elected. Crime will be non-existant and we will have a reduction in strength of the Police and India will introduce ‘elephant rides’ in Bermudan becuase there are no more ‘mice’ to stumble and fall over?
    I don’t need a rum… I ned a good dose of “EX-LAX” along with the whole system.
    Clense, purge, then surge……………………
    We know what the actions of Marxist wanna bees did in the 60-70’s
    Hell…. lets go for the big one.

  5. Dennis,
    So quick to denounce. First off in terms of substance, well it’s Sunday, not much in terms on news coming out except small tidbits from the Bda Sun. Second, in light of the task of last nights event, I think that a well earned Sunday break is in order for everyone who was involved. Tomorrow you will see all the juicy details of what happened in the papers.
    Like Alex, I was there, and I was stunned at the turn out. It was more than we had hoped for and it was encouraging.
    As far as the rest goes, platfoms are in the making, hard work is still going on by some smart people speaking to the field of their expertise, we have a leader, deputy leader and chairperson. The internal organisation is being finalised, we have a LOT of new members who came out because they believe, and you sit on the fence still throwing rocks. Get involved. One of the things I have realised since takng a break from blogging is that Bermuda is A LOT more than who’s online. Bermuda is a Lot more than just who calls up the talk radio shows. The real Bermuda lies with making a personal connection with people and touching lives.
    Next time come to the event instead of whining from the side lines on hear-say comments. It’s what all of us bloggers used to do if I recall.

  6. “Personal connection”………
    Ain’t that the truth. As for the “online” comment, your correct.
    Tin cans and string are back in the forefront. The connection is great and no interferance.
    Man I gott write that one down………………
    Gotta run……………My pork roast is getting ready for a little turnover………….
    A great day too all.

  7. Jonathan,
    We realise that we of course have our work cut out for us and that it is of course an up hill battle. What we are seeing is that we are attracting many new faces who are willing to roll up their sleeves, dig in and get the job done. Can this be said about the other parties? Last night I met many new people who the party did speak to, who brought into our ideals and are willing to get involved or at least back something new. They brought into our philosophy of how Government should be run and yes that does start with ideals. It’s these ideals which will govern exactly how our platforms are created.
    We may not have attracted either You or Dennis, but we have attracted many others. They should not be marganilised or told they are wrong for doing what they believe in. As Shakespear once penned “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”. The same goes for you and Mr. Pitcher here….

  8. Sean, I welcome the development of your party and the potential it has to rewrite our political landscape. Even if it brings a handful of new voices into the discourse then that is something to be welcomed. I don’t think Denis, or I, are in any way attempting to marginalise such voices. From what I see our criticism is very much a constructive one, pointing out the challenges that the BDA face, many of which are in my opinion self-inflicted and easily corrected.
    I do continue to question the assertions from BDA’ers such as yourself about the BDA having ‘brought a new philosophy’ to the discourse. What is this philosophy? Seriously, what is it? All I, and others, see is platitudes and rhetoric. Nothing of substance, to date, beyond a bland adherence to liberal democracy and capitalism, which hardly differentiates it from the PLP/UBP.
    Having your members actively contribute to the creation of your platforms is exactly what happens already, at least in the PLP (perhaps you or Alex can discuss the UBP side…). And having 300 members attend a meeting sounds like an important PLP CC meeting, with regular ones only getting about 100, so big whoop, but congrats all the same.
    People are not throwing rocks other than to say that if the BDA wants to be successful then it needs to address the issues being pointed out. And again the talk about coming and being involved, the BDA hasn’t given people a reason to get involved, although a minority of people have, for one reason or other been motivated and speak in glowing terms about the greatness of the BDA without actually detailing what the BDA is and why it is great.

  9. Jonahan,
    I’m sorry I disagree, the underlying tone of the entire blog post titled “Hype” does nothing but merrit a giant online teeth sucking moment from Dennis as he attempts to marganalise what happened last night. Christ, Dennis can’t even bare to use the name and has instead decided to engage in childish online behaviour of utilising nicknames to label and discredit the organisation. I don’t believe that he’s even once used the correct name of the party, except to criticise the way the name of the party was being used. I believe that unless it’s a party that Dennis himself had a direct hand in making then nothing else will be good enough. Jonathan I can accept constructive criticism, it’s the childish and immature practices that I dislike. Criticise constructively, but leave the name calling to the 2 year olds if possible, and I’m just calling a spade a spade here.
    The philosophy is in the core values, which governs how the party will operate on all levels, openness transparency, etc, what we believe in and what we will stand up against. The specifics that you are looking for is being created now with the political platforms. Contained in them will be specifics as to what we would do and how we would act. Typically there are two versions and high level for easier digesting that hit on specific topics and a lower level which contain the facts and intimate details. The reason for this is that the average voters eyes glaze if the lower level platform was to be read. The only example I can give is what happens during the budget, the budget speech is a high level document that outlines the actual budget (or at least specific points therein), which in reality (As you are probably well aware of) is a document that is a good 10 to 12 inches thick.
    I know that you and a lot of other intellectual types are hungry for as many details and specifics as possible, the best I can say is that we are working on it, BUT it will not be rushed. Most of yours and other’s arguments are that the BDA came out without a platform first, you consider this a failing, others in the party do not. It’s just different. To my knowledge there is no defined blue print for a political party and many organisations galvanize on a different levels. Sometimes it’s emotional, sometimes it’s economical, sometimes it’s through platform. There is no right and wrong way. As I’ve said many times before, a political party is a tool for others to use to move their Country ahead, nothing more, nothing less. As long as it gets the job done in the end then it’s a good tool.
    The issues, as you see them (Others don’t see them as issues, save for works in progress) are being worked on, but as I said above they will be ready in good time. Right now we are attracting people as they want something different and for starters that’s a party that’s willing to listen, and that is exactly what the BDA is.

  10. you sound like Moonies
    as for comparing the useful idiots party to Yobama, the worst president since Nixon, that’s an even more nauseating prediction than more of the PLP

  11. Well said from a personal point Sean.
    You had a blog/forum that you gave up because of frustration.
    Will you do the same when things fall short of what your party has not said yet?
    Remember, ole Rummy is your cousin. So slap me hard but remember the follow through.
    Shoot the message all you will but freedom of speech is what you guys proclaim.
    A great evening too all.

  12. Hi Rummy,
    Don’t worry I know where my blood is. 🙂
    Actually it wasn’t due to frusteration, it was due to time constraints and a bit of appreciation of an outside perspective. One of the issues with being online is that you can get so wrapped up in being online that you tend to think that your opinion, or the opinion of a select few others is the only valid one. I don’t find this healthy. I may go back to blogging, I may not, I’m still undecided.
    Regarding my efforts in the BDA, well as I said above, I abhore blind allegiance to anything, it’s a dangerous practice. I will support the BDA until I feel it’s a broken tool (Which is exactly what I did with the UBP). This would depend greatly on the ability for the BDA or any poltical party to evolve over time. Political parties, I find, are organic in nature, they grow, they evolve or they die. I can only attribute this to them being made up of people who simalarly undergo the “Human Conditiono”. While I hope this wouldn’t happen with the BDA, I have to realise that while a lot of time and effort has gone into this, it’s only job is to help govern Bermuda and perform to the wishes of Bermudians as outlined in a democracy.

  13. It is worthwhile to put emotions aside and take a sheer look at the feedback I and others are offering. What we say is likely a reflection of what a good number of people are thinking. If you read between the lines what we’re saying is that the detail is lacking. If detail comes out, great, it means either you were already working on it or you took light of our feedback and adapted. That’s what we want.
    Stop, take a clear look at what we’re saying. As individuals who actively invest in educating ourselves on various party stances and Bermuda issues if we’re not educated on your stances and issues, something is wrong. Thinking we are wrong in not actively coming out to educate ourselves is naive. We’re a reflection of the man in the street. What it should tell you is that you’re not doing a good enough job in getting your message out. You can sing and dance all you like about coming out to meetings but the reality is that there are 50+ thousand Bermudians and you got less than a percent in turnout. You can pat yourselves on the back all you like but what it really means is that only a slight fraction of people actually got your message. The rest will be disseminated via the papers, whatever you post online and largely whatever so called ‘high level’ information you publish that ultimately gets analysed and summarized by individuals like Jonathan and I.
    Individuals like Jonathan and I are calling out to you, to help you, to say we’re not getting it. Before getting upset that we aren’t joining in the ‘movement’ and we aren’t willing to jump into the fray like yourselves really stop to consider things. If we aren’t getting it, the other 99.4% of people who didn’t turn out likely aren’t either.

  14. Oh you and your damn stats. 99.4%..get real. I found it to be 93.79%.
    I do get your point Dennis. I also get Seans. I hope he sticks too his guns and like many others, I wish them well with positive thinking and not those of divide which we have all heard of of late.
    Gotta run…damn snow cummin again…….
    Ahh for the smell of seaweed and a charcol grill on the sandy beaches of South Shore or even the scales on the rocks at Bosses Cove and the water lapping around…….

  15. Dennis,
    I have, we have all been looking at the feedback that people have been giving us. That doesn’t mean we can vomit out a party platform instantaneously. Things take time and sometimes you have to move when the timing is right, not just right for you. I get what you are and have been saying, but my comments above weren’t due to legitimate criticism or wishes, it was due to your posts being nit picky and petty to the point of ridiculous. I don’t think you’re wrong by not activly coming out and educating yourself. I think you’re wrong by the above post when you didn’t even have all of the information at your disposal. The above post wasn’t being analytical or even clever, and quite frankly your standards are better than this, at least they have been. If you are calling out to us, to help us as you say, then stop with the petty name calling bullshit and be genuine in what you say you are trying to do. If you loose the sarcastic crap you may find people are more receptive to what you are trying to say. I’m in no way upset that you haven’t jumped on board, I’ve said this numerous times. I’m happy to solicit your trust and support on your terms, but remember not everyone is you. Others have brought into the party on the basis that they can make a difference from the get go, and this is fine as well. Sometimes people just need something else to believe in.
    Dennis, I hate to tell you this, but you are not the reflection of the average man in the street and you are deluding yourself if you think so. You are a reflection of you, 1 person with their own thoughts, just like everyone else. Not everyone agrees with you or what you have to say. You should know this as you have been down this road with the ABC. This is the problem with blogging that I find, everyone gets delusions of grandure. I respect your thoughts and opinions, but my friend, I also respect that they are the thoughts and opinion of one person, not the collective consciousness of everyone in Bermuda.
    As far as having 50+ thousand turn out, I really think that’s a stretch. Here’s another way to look at it. In February, during a time when general apathy in politics is high and attendance to ALL the party (Plp, Ubp and Bda) meetings in the last month or so has been low, we did all right by many standards. I consider this a hell of a starting point, not an ending point, and I sincerely we will only grow from here. I highly doubt that the PLP had 40 thousand in their first party conference either. Things build up and gather momentum, just a fact of life.

  16. “you didn’t even have all of the information at your disposal”
    What information? You yourself suggest that if I’d waited a day or two information would come out. That’s the endless story. Just give us more time and we’ll come out with it. Certainly, but in the meantime I’ll call it like I see it. I’ve looked at what is available on your website. I’ve read your twitter. I’ve read what you’ve commented in the paper. What else is there? Please enlighten me what other information is readily available in which I don’t need to make a public appearance to get it? I welcome that you need time to produce greater detail but don’t for a second think you can chastise me for suggesting that the detail is lacking if it isn’t readily available. I call the PLP on it all the time and you sit silent, likely content, why do you think BDA needs special treatment?
    I think you’re mistaken about illusions of grandeur. Perhaps that was your approach to blogging, it isn’t mine. I write for me, mostly for practice and development as my writing was always weak. I could care less if you or anyone else reads it. If you take a moment you’ll note that what I suggest is that if I as an individual who reaches out read your website, your twitter, your comments in the paper can’t find a great deal of substance, what does that say about the man in the street who barely reaches out at all? It is that reflection that I am referring to, the reflection of information dispersal.
    I never said 50+ thousand need to turn out, just noting the percentage. I recall that ABC got similar numbers, packed forums of 200 to 300 people anxious for change. BDA has to show a track record and substance, exactly what ABC didn’t. When it does, excellent, but until it does, don’t be surprised if people are a bit skeptical. I applaud that you’re continuing on, gradually building support and momentum. I personally find it slow going but as you point out, I’m just one person so why do you care about my opinion?
    I think you mistake the idea that I actually want to be involved with politics. I don’t. I want nothing more than to have absolutely nothing to do with it. I don’t dream of being some fancy politician, I’d be happier as a vagrant with a hut and enough to eat and kiteboard every day. The only reason I’m involved is that I don’t see that as a reality if I want my future to be in Bermuda. If I have to, I’ll get involved when there’s the best chance that I can make a difference. I’d much rather not. I’d much rather see BDA be a tremendous success, or the PLP regain their core values and return to their roots or the UBP evolve itself than ever getting involved myself. I see politics as a chore. It’s like washing the dishes. I really don’t want to do it but if you leave the sink full for too long eventually the house will end up full of cockroaches and ants.
    A larger question is why you even bother to comment if my opinion matters so little. Why waste your time if I’m so insignificant? No one forces you to read what I write or even bother commenting. Less than the numbers that showed up to your forum (.3% if you’re wondering Rummy) read this blog daily so why comment when there are vastly more beneficial means to devote your time? I could care less who visits or reads my blog, I do it for me. English was one of my worst subjects in school to which I was always struggling. Writing, whether about Bermuda politics or whatever else I choose to write about is about facing and developing that weakness into a strength. If people care to see value in my ramblings, excellent, if not, it matters little to me, why does it to you?

  17. Dennis,
    My reference to you not waiting for the information to come out was in regards to the “Hype” post about the Party Conference, not about specifics with the BDA and what’s been worked on since last November. I felt you were being unfair at your commentary as you were making a comment on something you did not attend, and had no information on save for about 2 lines on BIAW and with that you managed to post an entire blog story, going at great lengths to slight the BDA.
    Of course people are going to be skeptical, look at what ALL of us has had to endure over the last 30 years. AS I said, people are either going to join right from the get go in hopes of pushing for that change, or they are going to join (hopefully) once they see the change occure. Neither way is wrong, it’s a personal choice and everyone has a right to it. I don’t and have never considered your writing style weak, I actually and firmly believe that you know exactly what you are writing about and are actualliy pretty good at it. That goes for both the extremely well written articles I’ve read from you in the past as well as the above blog post.
    Dennis, I have never suggested that the BDA needed special treatment. I do wish for fair treatment howeve (Refer to my first paragraph if you’re unsure what I’m speaking to). Criticise and comment all you want. I have no issue with valid concerns, however I will call you out if I believe you are being unfair. For the valid comments, I have no issue and I FULLY respect the right to your opinion and will do my best to be as open as possible. ALL parties need criticism, I’ve gone on record with agreeing with some of the PLP stances as well, against some of the opinoins of others, including the majority of bloggers. Just cause I don’t comment on your blog all the time means that I agree with you all the time either.
    Oh and PUH-Lease don’t start that “I’m only one person so I guess my opinion doesn’t count” garbage. That’s a twist of what I wrote above and is quite contrary to what I’ve written everywhere. Everyone’s opinion counts….equally. Nothing more nothing less. Raise the debate, please don’t lower it.
    Dennis I think that’s the same for everyone in regards to politics, unless of course you have other motives. Most people in my circle are stretched to pull things together and working hard at getting the job done. Like you I could very well be sitting off enjoying life, but as I said before, if you don’t get involved, you lose the right to complain. However I don’t see politics as a chore. Sure it’s long hours and can be frusterating, but it’s also about the people as well. You can’t undertake something in politics with a grudge like you are about to take out the trash or wash dishes. You’re dealing with people and they are giving you their trust and that’s HUGE. It’s humbling and it should be cherished.
    Dennis, it matters to me cause I know you’re better than the above post. I don’t think anyone here would say you have a bad writing style or comment on your grammer. When you hit a topic, you typically hit it with enthusiasm and you make a strong point. This post has none of that. Now if you truely believe that you don’t care about people reading your online posts, then I suggest taking down the blog and writing a personal journal, but I’m willing to bet that this was a cop out statement and as I said, you’re better than that.

  18. First off, you’re labelled as a former UBPer. Why do you think that is? Because you got involved and subsequently that label does taint your political image.
    I’m not actively involved with any party because I don’t want to taint my political image. If I were to join BDA or any other party I do so without easily being labeled as a supporter or campaigner of any party. I believe many people would agree that if I chose to join BDA it would be better for BDA that I join as an independent with no ties than had I joined the UBP such as some people suggested. Thus by the same logic I am not at present interested in getting involved in BDA because of what that could mean for any future alternatives. Until I’m certain I can make the kind of difference I hope to make I’m staying on the sidelines.
    Despite your views about involvement, I showed up at the polls and in my opinion that gives me full right to comment on the our politics and those who choose to get involved in it.
    Now, on to this jaunt of my post and criticism of the lack of detail. Apologies if I’m rather blunt but you guys really need to stop expecting concessions and step up your game if you want to stand a chance. You guys will be facing up against the PLP with much less in terms of resources and PR capital and you need to be able to compensate for that. You can talk all you want about needing a break after the conference but what I see is a lack of preplanning that could have boosted your position. Rather than having me write a negative post conference article you could have been prepared and seeded the right info such that I had something to write about. In my opinion you wern’t prepared and you’re kidding yourself to think otherwise.
    Part of the planning for such a conference isn’t just about what happens before and during but also after, especially in defining how the conference went. This is ANOTHER case where you’re letting others define you before you define yourself. How many times does it need to be said that you need to address this ASAP?
    Copies of information presented should have been ready to go live on your website right at the time your conference finished. Your twitter feed should have been updated with the results as soon as they were out and I shouldn’t have had to hear about it via a non-member on an internet forum. The statement from the winning leader should have been included on the website right after it was given, I shouldn’t have had to wait for the Gazette’s coverage. Subsequently while the live feed was a good idea, some of us were busy then, it should have been available to be viewed after the fact, especially if we can judge the crowd for ourselves.
    Stop and really think about this as it’s the PLP’s core problem and if they fixed it they’d be eons ahead of you. Be proactive and control the media and most importantly define your image. Get out there and define how things went from your perspective. DO NOT, and I absolutely mean it, DO NOT wait for the gazette to produce a write up. This is what the PLP does and then they piss and moan when the gazette doesn’t write it in their favor. The internet gives you the power to mould your own image: USE IT. Get out there and define how things went in words that you choose. Define yourselves. If I wake up sunday morning interested in writing and I’ve got lots of pre-prepared material that you’ve hand crafted the way you want to sift through there’s a much higher liklihood that I’ll end up being skewed to your perspective due to lack of alternative details. Capitalize on timing.
    Had any and all of this information been available Sunday morning my piece would have been considerably different. You can take offense at my criticism all you like but when it gets right down to it what I’m telling you is that you’re not the only one who has higher expectations as I expected better of you. Step up your game and stop whining that I’m not giving you enough credit. You want to play in the big leagues, act like it and stop feeling pushed around by some nobody blogger who you should be running PR circles around.
    By the way, if you want to fuss over naming perhaps you can try getting the spelling of my name right.

  19. By the way, if you want to fuss over naming perhaps you can try getting the spelling of my name right.
    Sure thing mate, but you first, it’s called The Bda, The Alliance or The Bermuda Democratice Alliance. Until you get that one right, I reserver the right to misspell your name as well. 🙂

  20. First off, you’re labelled as a former UBPer. Why do you think that is? Because you got involved and subsequently that label does taint your political image.
    Your opinion. The same can actually be said about you and the ABC. Is it relevant? Only to people that want to hold people to their past and refuse to recognise that sometimes people move on or can indeed change their way of thinking. I’ve already spoken to why I left the UBP and how I consider political parties. Are you saying that if and when you decide to go with a new party you will stay with them no matter what? I disagree with this decision.
    Dennis, people have histories, it’s the whole experience of living temporarily. Sometimes you make a decision that wasn’t the best fit, or cause it was the best option for you at the time. Your going to hold that against someone till the end of their days? Grudge much?
    Actually, Dennis, you seem to be the only one really causing the stink and attempting to define the party conference at the moment. These are your opinions and I can respect and take some of the points. Sure we could have had a reaction team standing by and updated all online content, immediately. HOwever as most of our peeps were heavily involved, our website got updated later on on Sunday, sorry if it was against your personal schedule and likewise with F/B. Information is still being deciminated. But in the interest of knee jerk reactions and recognising that the party isn’t run by a full time staff or enjoys the bennifits of unlimited money like the other parties I can mention. It’s a fledgling party full of committed volunteers. Sorry if this doesn’t fly with you, but they are the facts of life. I will pass these concerns onto the people in charge of the post mortem however. I do take some of these as good points but you can only squeeze so much out of people. With new people we will be able to do grander things and improve response times.
    Had any and all of this information been available Sunday morning my piece would have been considerably different.
    Um so you admit to jumping the gun and writing unprepared with information at hand. That can be dangerous as well.
    Again I will certainly bring this up for consideration.

  21. Oh dear Lord…I spoke too soon. Now I need a rum…..
    Doesn’t matter how you spell a name or a party.
    Damit……Were ALL Bda. And it’s about bloody thyme we took stock.
    Shit..Um gunna have a dubble……………..

  22. “The same can actually be said about you and the ABC.”
    You think I don’t know this? I was invited to speak at forum alongside Julian Hall and Stuart Hayward and rose to speak at the other and I found myself being associated with ABC itself. I never joined ABC, I simply wanted to see change and showed up to what were supposed to be non-partisan events. Do I think it is relevant, yes I do. It ties into perceptions and image which shapes the frame people construct of you. Hell, you’re even associating me with ABC.
    You can be idealistic and pretend like it doesn’t matter but I believe otherwise. I know people who refuse today to buy german cars because of the involvement of german car companies with the nazis. I know people who vote for parties not based upon policy but based upon history and race. This is fact not fiction. Everything factors into how your perceived and how your ideas are accepted.
    I am far more credible as an independent who joins a party and runs as a candidate than an individual who flip flops from PLP to NLP to UBP back to PLP. I’m not saying you should stick with a party no matter what but what I am saying is that you’re naive if you think it won’t alter people’s perceptions of you. I aim to not pre judge people in this manner but don’t assume all others naturally hold the same standards.
    Yes I’m making a stink because I’d like to see you guys learn early. If you get to the point where you are a credible threat you’ll end up facing down the PLP PR machine which could well rip you to shreds like they did the UBP. Look at my criticisms as an exercise in working with people. I’m not your enemy, I’m not out to drown you so my party can get elected because very simply, I don’t have a party. I’m just some random dude who rants on a keyboard from time to time. What I’m pointing out is what you can do better next time. How you can prepare, how you can control your image as you grow. You should be hellishly pleased I actually took the time to give you any attention at all. Really, look at the forums, look at facebook, check out twitter. Who is really talking about the conference? Who cares? A large number of the posts that have been made on the forum are a collective “meh”. You can either wake up, stop being defensive and start looking vehemently seeking out every criticism possible as a means to find ways to improve or you can just ignore it. Please, just do one or the other.
    Look, I’m growing rather tired of this tirade. Take my feedback at face value or ignore it. You seem to take things very personally and quite unnecessarily get really defensive. Find what value you can use in my feedback, ignore the rest, that simple. I’m not worth the time you’ve invested and I fail to see how you think you’ve gained value in it.
    As for “jumping the gun” I really don’t get it. I wrote based upon what was available and based it on facts that were available. I’d didn’t come out lying and slandering saying things like nobody turned up and it was a big flop. I didn’t even come out and presume who won and state that someone other than Craig Cannonier won. Hell, I didn’t even tell stories of some guy who fell off a cliff that was rescued when in actuality he died. I based my piece on what was available at the time, which wasn’t much. I posted it when there still wasn’t much available and at that time it was accurate. Hours later the state may have changed but that reflects a different point in time. Had I posted Sunday night or tonight maybe things would have been different, but as of Sunday morning I called it as I saw it and you’ve agreed the information wasn’t there.
    If I beat you to the punch in getting material out then too bad. What you’re missing is that you could be building an ally who could actually write positively next time and be the medium that gets the message out faster and instead you’re too focused on accusations of the past and what could have happened had I waited. Sure, I could wait and wait and wait till BDA has all of it’s information out before commenting or I could be realistic and go by what is happening now. Hell, I could be dead by the time BDA actually has its ducks in a row, how the hell am I supposed to know? I really don’t get it, you’re putting a hell of alot of effort towards making an enemy rather than try to work with me to pursuade a better result in the future. Honestly, what are you accomplishing?
    What you have accomplished is that I’m rather sick of debating you. At this point BDA remains rather insignificant and immaterial in the grand scheme of things so largely I’m wasting my time bothering to offer any feedback at all if it amounts to this much hassle. Honestly, I could be dedicating my time to analysing jobs numbers or tracking government progress or even offering the UBP some much needed feedback. I’m not out to get people, I write about Bermuda because I care about our future. I offer my feedback because I’d actually like to see BDA improve but am not at this point willing to jump into the fold (no I’m not going to debate why for the umpteenth time). I’m giving a hell of a lot of thought to taking a long break from ever writing about, giving feedback to or even giving a moments further thought to BDA at this point. I’m sure it would make you happy but there is a reason why the saying goes “there’s no such thing as bad publicity”. Even though I reach only a handful of people it is highly likely that I reach many who didn’t turn up to your forum. You got a chance to have BDA in the limelight for them and even freely debate what I had to say for them to read. It gets people talking about BDA which is valueable, even if you don’t like what I’m saying, as people are free to make their own decisions and most of all consider the points you make.
    In the long term you’ll lose out on what valuable points that you’ve admitted I do make from time to time. I had two constructive posts queued up that I wrote after I took heed of the feedback that I was a bit too harsh. At this point I’m cancelling them as I just can’t be bothered to risk upsetting you and your colleagues any further. You’re simply not worth my time debating worthless nothingness for hours on end when I could be doing something productive instead.

  23. Geez, my eyes began to glaze over there, lol. Sean, I still don’t know even the basics of what the BDA is all about, what makes them different from the UBP. All I see is that it was started by some UBP MPs and Party Officials who had a problem with the UBP status quo but never really articulated what they had a problem with and their vision of what an Opposition Party could and should do in their circumstances. At most, based on some conversations I had just after the 2007 election with some UBPers who are now part of the BDA, I got the impression that they thought the solution for the UBP was to have a younger, blacker face. At that point I just rolled my eyes because they were advocating the same failed MO of the UBP, except they thought it needed ratcheted up a notch.
    All I get from the BDA’s website and various contributions to the media is that they are ‘for change’ and ‘post-racial’ or something like that. Neither of which tells me much. Dr. Brown was elected PLP Leader on the ticket of standing ‘for change’ and ‘taking the Party to the next level’. I think I was about the only person at the time who said change is fine, but what is this next level, what change are you advocating? What change, exactly, is the BDA advocating? I don’t know. You say you are letting your membership design your platform and policies. Fine, but thats hardly different from the PLP (although I agree the influence of its members have to an extent been superseded, and that is a problem). I hate to imagine how the UBP developed its policy if the BDA, formed by ex-UBPers think that having their membership design their platform and polices is radical change.
    And the whole term about being non-racial, taking race out of politics. What does that mean? I take that as little more than a rehash of the UBP’s colour-blindness philosophy, which amounts to little more than the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand on the race question.
    What is it that is motivating people to join you guys other than an amorphous desire for change. Thats all and well, but without transforming this into something concrete, asap, I fear that the same number who were quick to join you will similarly be quick to desert you.

  24. Are you basing your opinion on local events or those of failing Marxist. Your quick to jump in when the fire starts. Guess thats why your not a fireman.
    Johnny…your a star………………..
    Now go back and have a few pints and march on Glasgow…..Heil Stalin….

  25. Jonathan,
    The UBP wasn’t getting the job done (My words), and I can say that there was a general disgust with the way both parties were carring on. The fight is, ways and probably will be between the PLP and the UBP locking horns and petty point scoring. This doesn’t move Bermuda ahead, all it does is waste resource and precious time. Meanwhile the Island is in a downward spiral. If you want personal reasons, I would suggest you contact the MP’s as they are quite open about their reasons.
    At most, based on some conversations I had just after the 2007 election with some UBPers who are now part of the BDA, I got the impression that they thought the solution for the UBP was to have a younger, blacker face.
    I’m curious to know which Alliance members you spoke to on this. I can agree and eye roll with you. The major turning point I had was that after the election one of the people I worked with closely said a similar comment, about working harder to attract a more bi-racial group. Jonathan, I have to say that I don’t think it was possible to work any harder, the UBP had been successfully branded by the PLP, there was a stigmatism that the party will probably never shed and the major decision making practices was done by the same people with the same old ideas, who did not listen to the membership at all (Sound familiar?) No new blood was entering the organisation which is a death blow to any organisation as it just becomes a waiting game for the other party to literally die out. It was shortly after this that I started looking else where for another viable alternative myself actually.
    Fine, but thats hardly different from the PLP (although I agree the influence of its members have to an extent been superseded, and that is a problem)
    But Jonathan, by your own admission here, the BDA is different already. Do you think that if it wasn’t for the shinanagins of BOTH parties that the BDA wouldn’t have formed? The BDA is a physical manifestation of people’s will for something better than what we currently have representing us and it’s getting bigger. Those 6 peeps from the UBP saw this and made the decision to jump start something new. I know I won’t get any argument when I say that if it wasn’t those 6, then it would have been someone else. There were a LOT of rumblings and meetings going on over summer by many different groups.
    As far as change, well again, we are putting in place mechanisms that insure one person does not run the party or the Island into the ground. We are attracting people from all areas, black, white, young and old. (Can the other parties say that?) The racial makeup of our Party Conference on Saturday was about evenly split, can the other parties say that for their meetings and conferences? How is this not change staring you right in the face. The BDA isn’t ignoring race, they are embracing it, evenly. The evidence is in the people we’ve attracted and retained to participate. There is your change right there. The rest will come with controls of transparency (Something that we have been walking the walk aready), accountablity and how we govern ourselves and God willing the Island if we are chosen to do so.
    What is it that is motivating people to join you guys other than an amorphous desire for change. Thats all and well, but without transforming this into something concrete, asap, I fear that the same number who were quick to join you will similarly be quick to desert you.
    Motivation with people can’t be always pinned down to something concrete, it’s different with each person. I would suggest that you come to one of the meetings and ask the members themselves. Its something that will be personal to them, but it will allow you to get some insight of what they feel they are missing and what they hope to find with The Alliance. Of course I and my colleagues recognise that we have to deliver, we have to inspire and motivate. We are also being inclusive and welcoming people to join, not just as members, but as crucial and key players as well. For some I can say that they want a party that can help move Bermuda forward, get past our differences and rather celebrate and appreciate them; but as I said it’s something you are going to have to track down and ask if you want personal reasons.

  26. Who the hell made you spokesman for the BDA Sean.
    Where’s the ‘Cannon’ ?
    As for Jonathan, don’t worry about the Brother. He’s doing a clandestine thing in Scotland. No more more Scutch, Geenise and Black Pudding and well yah know. Only thing left will be ‘Trype’ and you know most of us can’t stomach that.
    And please stop talking about “concrete”. Dr. Brown said there was too much of it and I believe him. He should know he’s laid many a foundation.
    Gotta run……just got the contract for the Golf Course in St. George. Gonna give a ‘subcontract’ too the Mohawks from St. Davids. Gonna have Totum Poles for Flag/Hole Markers…………No 1 Hole will be carved as a testiment to the Pitchers and the Lambes…..”Denis’s Hideaway’…….
    Ok…Um gone……jingus……

  27. Denis,
    Sorry I missed your post. I’m no more interested in ths back and forwards either, however as you have points to make, so do I. In between the two views hopefully we can meet.
    You think I don’t know this? I was invited to speak at forum alongside Julian Hall and Stuart Hayward and rose to speak at the other and I found myself being associated with ABC itself. I never joined ABC, I simply wanted to see change and showed up to what were supposed to be non-partisan events. Do I think it is relevant, yes I do. It ties into perceptions and image which shapes the frame people construct of you. Hell, you’re even associating me with ABC.
    Denis, I’ve never made it an issue about you being in any way, shape or form associated with the ABC. These are your points that you’re making not mine. It’s a form of stero-typing and it’s wrong. I have absolutly NO issue with anyone’s prior political background, so long as they act morally responsible and in the interst of Bermuda not themselves. I did assume that you were affiliated with them, but is that a bad thing?
    You see the point that everyone should be aware of is this, at some point in your life you have supported one party or the other, either by activity or just simple voting. Should that really taint people for the rest of their lives? Yes I understand about perception being reality, but isn’t it time we moved from that? That’s one of the things the BDA is about.
    I’m giving a hell of a lot of thought to taking a long break from ever writing about, giving feedback to or even giving a moments further thought to BDA at this point. I’m sure it would make you happy
    Oh brother, Denis I have a 3 and 7 year old who try to use this tactic on me it doesn’t work. What you do is entirely your decision. You wrote a blog post on a very public forum. I personally disagreed with the tone of it and as such here we are. If you want to squander what talent you have, pack up your toys and go home again that’s your decision, but I challenge you to stay involved use that analytical mind work in the best interest of Bermuda. You also know my stance, I know you aren’t ready to join anything right now and that’s fine. Personally I saw an opportunity to work with others to make a difference and I jumped on it. Plain and simple.
    Yes I’m making a stink because I’d like to see you guys learn early. If you get to the point where you are a credible threat you’ll end up facing down the PLP PR machine which could well rip you to shreds like they did the UBP.
    We are WELL aware of this, but if the PLP PR machine were to have writen a blog post on their website like this then I will have taken my fight there too. They didn’t, you did and again, here we are. Your blog allows post so people can provide feedback to you as well, are you attempting to take points and criticism?
    In the long term you’ll lose out on what valuable points that you’ve admitted I do make from time to time. I had two constructive posts queued up that I wrote after I took heed of the feedback that I was a bit too harsh. At this point I’m cancelling them as I just can’t be bothered to risk upsetting you and your colleagues any further. You’re simply not worth my time debating worthless nothingness for hours on end when I could be doing something productive instead.
    If they are valid points, then by all means go ahead and post them, but don’t stand there getting upset if someone disagrees with you. Denis, to date I have not lost my cool with you, all I did was call you out on something that I disagreed with. You wrote a blog post on a conference you did not attend, and you, by your own admission above, had extremely little knowledge about. I have taken the points and discussed them with my peers about response times and follow up to events; getting things online and we all agreed that you had a valid point there, but that’s not what you originally wrote about. You wrote about NOTHING, labeled it Hype and launched it, and THAT’s what I took issue to. I considred that wrong.

  28. “You wrote about NOTHING, labeled it Hype and launched it, and THAT’s what I took issue to.”
    LOL, I think that was the point Denis was trying to make. The BDA provided nothing, labeled it variously ‘change’ and ‘a better way’ and launched with it, and that’s what he (and others) have taken issue with. All he’s done is point out that all this amounts to ‘hype’ just as the child pointed out the Emperor’s nudity.

  29. Crymson, Obama ran for President not for a political party. This is a new party in formation and seems to be doing quite well to date.
    Now go back too the pub, have a rum and plan your next Marxist move.
    Talk about spin. How much dee BIU paying you to stay there…….bawahahaa……..
    Gotta run…Stalingrad is on fire………

  30. At some point in your life you have supported one party or the other, either by activity or just simple voting. Should that really taint people for the rest of their lives?
    Should it no. Does it, yes. BDA may move away from it but that doesn’t mean the vast majority of the public will. I work on the basis of perceptions. If you care to be idealistic I welcome it, though don’t be surprised if it doesn’t change how you’re perceived and certainly don’t be surprised if I don’t share your idealism, as noble as it may be.
    You wrote a blog post on a very public forum. I personally disagreed with the tone of it and as such here we are.
    I didn’t disagree that the tone could have been improved. What I disagreed with was the suggestion that I should be expected to take a wait and see approach and that I was wrong in posting based upon the information that was available. I countered this point and made my position clear but you kept banging the same drum over and over again, not countering with any substantial or convincing change in your argument.
    I wasn’t suggesting I’d stop posting in general, just about BDA. I have little interest in debating the same point over and over and frankly BDA isn’t worth the effort at this time. I have lots of other things I can write about and would be happy to ignore BDA entirely.
    Your blog allows post so people can provide feedback to you as well, are you attempting to take points and criticism?
    Certainly, though not the same point over and over.
    You wrote a blog post on a conference you did not attend, and you, by your own admission above, had extremely little knowledge about.
    This is exactly my point. Show me how my post is on the conference itself? What I can see above is that I wrote about the lack of material available online describing the conference and the party in general, not the conference itself. There’s a huge difference between spreading miss information about a conference and noting that no information has been published about the conference. I made no mention of what happened at the conference nor did I presume what information was shared at the conference. All I did was note that at the time I wrote my piece information was not readily available. The piece was largely not about the conference and was instead primarily about the lack of information from the formation of BDA to now, the conference and the subsequent lack of info was largely coincidental in terms of the argument of the entire piece.
    Here’s the exact quote with the only mention of the conference in it:
    Indeed, if one were to look across the internet following their recent party conference you would note that none of the prominent blogs had written anything of what happened and the only mention they received on the Bermuda is Another World forum site was who won their election and more talk about their lack of substance. Talk and buzz otherwise has been thin and rather non existent.
    That doesn’t say anything about the actual conference, it says something about the lack of details available on the internet following it. I can’t see how you interpret this as being about the conference itself?
    You wrote about NOTHING, labeled it Hype and launched it, and THAT’s what I took issue to. I considred that wrong.
    Writing about nothing substantial being out there in terms of tangible positions IS writing about something. I’m sorry but the vast majority of everything that has been published or made publicly available on the internet has pretty much been all rhetoric and nice sounding phrases. You yourself have agreed that you’re still working on your platform and what not.
    You act like I’m spreading misinformation and yet a ton of other people see it exactly the same way as I do. You even responded to the thread at Bermuda is another world where people say as much (http://bermudaisanotherworld.org/forum/index.php?topic=2432.0). Jonathan above says as much. Beyond rhetoric we haven’t heard much that’s been tangible.
    Core values are really nice and all but they’re not tangible policy. What positions does your party take? Aside from a handful of quotes in the paper there is little to no information out there. I can certainly appreciate that you’re working to put together such information however I can not appreciate how you can consider it wrong that I’m noting that it isn’t available yet. It’s a fact of life, it isn’t there at this time. When it’s out I can comment on it and review it but I shouldn’t be expected to sit silent until you’re ready. If there’s nothing tangible out there it is within my right to note that nothing tangible out there.
    Honestly, how many times do we need to rehash this same argument? If you feel I’m wrong for noting the absence of substance but the abundance of rhetoric and hype, you’re welcome to it but I disagree. However various other independent people agree with me that information is lacking. That was the point of my post and I refuse to accept your argument that I’m wrong to note it.

  31. J Starling
    LOL, I think that was the point Denis was trying to make. The BDA provided nothing, labeled it variously ‘change’ and ‘a better way’ and launched with it, and that’s what he (and others) have taken issue with.
    At the risk of playing tit for tat, um don’t you support a party who in 2003 came out with their platform the day before the election and then in 2007 it was only about 2 weeks (I could be wrong for 2007, but this is what I recall). I’m curious that you were actually canvassing for them under these conditions if you feel so strongly about having platforms released. I’m not too concerned with this but it does strike me as being a bit hypocritical.

  32. Hey Sean,
    FWIW during the 2003 election I was not a member of the PLP, nor was I canvassing for them. I had grown disillussioned with what I saw as Ms. Smith’s squandering of the 1998 opportunity. Additionally, I had forewarning about the planned palace coup against her, and as much as I disliked how Ms. Smith had failed to capitalise on the 1998 election and subsequent champagne leadership, I thought the palace coup idea was a bad idea and would set a bad precedent for the future. I also, at that time, heavily criticised the PLP for how they were handling the election, especially on the point you raise on the platform issue. My blog only came into existence in about late 2006, so there is no direct mention of these issues, most of them being nothing more than personal conversations with PLP members, although if one were to search through the RG LTTE and at least one or two issues of the Workers Voice one will find some of the letters I wrote criticising the Party at that time.
    I hope the above answers your questions on those issues. All the same, you haven’t really addressed the core criticism that the BDA, to date, consists mostly of rhetoric glued together with disillussionment of the UBP and the PLP. It can make for a rather heady cocktail for those caught up in it, but it is not substantial and risks dispersal unless something more substantial materialises. Personally, from what I’ve seen of the BDA I maintain they are aligning themselves with the UK Lib Dems (much as the UBP is aligned with the Conservative Party and the PLP the Labour Party; the parallels are actually kind of freaky BTW).
    I wouldn’t say it was so much a tit for tat move you’ve made there but one of deflection, pure and simple. Much like some PLPers kneejerk reaction of ‘well, the UBP did it too’. As you and Alex have said to Denis above, you sir are better than this.

  33. J Starling
    But you were canvassing for 2007 elections correct?
    It wasn’t a deflection it was a question back to you about how you are making this argument for one party (The BDA) while doing exactly what you are talking about for another (or at least was). I make no excuses, or deflection, however merily an observation.
    As for the BDA, we are actively working on our platform and they are going to be released when they are done, not just before an election and not at any other time where it’s politically expediant, just when they are done. We are not doing what the other parties did there and as we come up with more and more information, more and more will be released to the public for them to make a decision on, plain and simple. I sincerely hope that in time we strike a cord with you as well, but I am happy to wait to earn that if at all.

  34. Yes, I was canvassing during the 2007 election. The platform was released almost simultenously to that of the UBPs.
    Sean, forgive the caps but I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOUR PARTY STANDS FOR – ALL I KNOW IS IT HAS A PREDILECTION FOR RHETORIC. I know what the UBP stands for. I know what the PLP stands for. The least you guys could have done is come out with a basic platform/policies and constitution to differentiate yourselves from the other two parties and state clearly that they are only working/draft ones and that you are inviting input and the like for it.
    All I know about the BDA is that it was set up by disgruntled UBP members (MPs and high-ranking party officers). I don’t know what they stand for as opposed to the UBP. Thats the BDA’s problem. Sort it out. Pronto.
    And, erm, yes, it is deflection on your part.

  35. Jonathan,
    As I’ve explained numerous times, circular argument here, we are working on the platforms and other policies on what we are for. This will not be released until it’s done so you are going to have to wait. You want something with meat on it, we will deliver that. IT’S COMING! (Caps are fun sometimes, innit?)
    Until then well not much more you and I can do until that happens. You don’t want to participate and I can’t comment until things are ready. The BDA started as a shell for people to fill and guide. Not as a small room filled with a select few people who think they know what’s best for the entire Island. We’ve attracted people from all different circles and different backgrounds, who are all working on a document. You call this rhetoric, but it’s exactly what’s happened. Again if you want to know more about us, but you don’t want to commit, you are going to have to wait. I know this is unfair particularly for you as you have no way to personally come out and ask questions, etc, but really I can’t offer anything more than this, caps lock or not. It’s coming it’s being worked on and I hope it’s something you can get behind.

  36. Well said there Comrade Soares. I remember similar comments in the 60’s-70’s from members of the BBC wo chose to revamp Bermuda by “Any Means Neccesary”.
    Enough. My fence needs a painting but I can only see one side. Does it matter?

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